Wonderful Poland.......but the attitude of Polish people

new-expat:

1) I'm not complaining about youths yelling because they were drunk, I was complaining about what they said. Drunk or not, it's just something I've never heard anywhere else. In UK or in US where guys get pissed quite often :) I've never heard such cr*p.

2) I don't care if your hobbies is to take pics of handsome guys :), it's not mine. But the reasons why you click pick of a handsome guy and picks of a black girl are definitely not the same (don't tell me they are).

PlasticPoleThreads: 4 Posts: 2,266 Joined: May 28, 09 Gender: Female	Edited by: PlasticPole May 29, 09, 16:11 / #61
new-expat: some even clicked pics of her It depends on how you view it. Taking pictures could be flattering. It means people care enough to capture your image. I wouldn't call snapping a photo an act of humiliation. Most people want their photo taken unless they are an established celebrity pulling a publicity stunt thus creating a maddening scene by punching out photographers. young drunk ppl They could have been acting like that because they were drunk. Most people are far more likely to yell and act stupid when UTI.

Rafal_1981	May 29, 09, 16:19 / #62
new-expat: I'm not inventing it... Yes, you are inventing this. During the 80/90's I used to live with my parents (students) in Technical University Campus in Bialystok. We have had a lot of foreign exchange students (from Irak and other Arab countries, some students form a different parts of Africa etc.) and I don't remind any major tensions between them and polish students or Poles in general. I remember that during the summer there were a massive open-air draughts tournaments between students from a different countries.

Victoria-Guest	May 29, 09, 16:24 / #63
I think Polish People feel that they aren't 100% Polish but mixtures of Russian, Slovnia, Turks, German, Sweden and others. They are confused who they are and wanted to know their histories. They can be nice if they want to.

new-expat	May 29, 09, 16:27 / #64
Rafal_1981: Yes, you are inventing this. Please read the whole sentence : "some polish friends themselves also tell me that Polish are a bit racist" No, I'm not inventing it, definitely not, sorry. Not my fault if they're just honnest enough to acknowledge it. PlasticPole: Taking pictures could be flattering. It means people care enough to capture your image PlasticPole: Most people want their photo taken C'mon. Please. They clicked pics of her because she's black and they've never seen that before. Maybe it's not racism but they did it like she was an animal. And no one could be flattered to be considered like this,

TorqThreads: 41 Posts: 2,532 Joined: Apr 10, 09 Gender: Male GOLD MEMBER	Edited by: Torq May 29, 09, 16:39 / #65
Victoria-Guest: I think Polish People feel that they aren't 100% Polish but mixtures of Russian, Slovnia, Turks, German, Sweden and others. True. There is no such thing as 100% Polish (in genetical sense). Thousand years of wars and mixing with Germans, Tatars, Russians, Turks, Swedes, Jews, Scots and many other nationalities is enough to make us realize that talking about being 100% Polish doesn't make much sense. Being Polish is not about your skin tone or hair colour but about your heart and soul (and in this way - it is possible to be 100% Pole). Victoria-Guest: They are confused who they are False. We are Polish in our language, history, customs, hearts and souls. Victoria-Guest: wanted to know their histories Erm... true. Victoria-Guest: They can be nice if they want to True again. So it's True - False 3:1 - not bad for your first post, Victoria ;)

new-expat	May 29, 09, 16:45 / #66
ah ah ah ! Victoria-Guest: They can be nice if they want to Oh really ? I thought they all were a bunch of drunk, stupid, jobeless, junky, violent and racist fools :) Of course they can be nice too - hopefully !

PlasticPoleThreads: 4 Posts: 2,266 Joined: May 28, 09 Gender: Female	Edited by: PlasticPole May 29, 09, 16:46 / #67
new-expat: C'mon. Please. They clicked pics of her because she's black and they've never seen that before. Maybe it's not racism but they did it like she was an animal. And no one could be flattered to be considered like this, Okay, for one thing. You complained about youths yelling because they were drunk. Well, let me tell you, you can pretty much discount most of what people do when they are drunk. Most do not act the same drunk as they do sober and alcohol generally causes people to act kinda crazy and stupid. When a drunk does or says something you think "what a drunk" and ignore it. It's really got nothing to do with reality. If they took pictures of her because she is black that is not a bad thing either. I don't understand why it's such an issue. Let's say you see an attractive guy and you have a camera and you think man, he's hot and you take his picture. Does this mean you're viewing him as an animal for taking that opportunity to get a photo of a cute guy?

new-expat	May 29, 09, 16:53 / #68
PlasticPole: You complained about youths yelling because they were drunk PlasticPole: If they took pictures of her because she is black that is not a bad thing either Sorry plastic pole, I've never seen so much bad faith - or is it misunderstanding ? Or maybe both. Anyway 1) I'm not complaining about youths yelling because they were drunk, I was complaining about what they said. Drunk or not, it's just something I've never heard anywhere else. In UK or in US where guys get pissed quite often :) I've never heard such cr*p. 2) I don't care if your hobbies is to take pics of handsome guys :), it's not mine. But the reasons why you click pick of a handsome guy and picks of a black girl are definitely not the same (don't tell me they are).

PlasticPoleThreads: 4 Posts: 2,266 Joined: May 28, 09 Gender: Female	May 29, 09, 16:58 / #69
new-expat: 1) I'm not complaining about youths yelling because they were drunk, I was complaining about what they said. Drunk or not, it's just something I've never heard anywhere else. In UK or in US where guys get pissed quite often :) I've never heard such cr*p. 2) I don't care if your hobbies is to take pics of handsome guys :), it's not mine. But the reasons why you click pick of a handsome guy and picks of a black girl are definitely not the same (don't tell me they are). I think you are projecting too much into the photo op. They take a picture. So? What does it matter? I'm light skinned caucasian and once I was in my front yard. Someone drove by with a camera and took my picture. I was stunned and wondered wtf they'd do that for but I didn't automatically think it was for some nefarious reason. It's one picture, what's the worse they could do? People have said all kinds of things when drunk. They even sleep with people while drunk they wouldn't consider touching while sober. You can't take drunken behavior seriously. If you were complaining about what sober people said I would tell you "yeah, that's rude" but these were drunk and I never seen well behaved drunks.

TorqThreads: 41 Posts: 2,532 Joined: Apr 10, 09 Gender: Male GOLD MEMBER	Edited by: Torq May 29, 09, 17:02 / #70
new-expat: I'm not complaining about youths yelling because they were drunk, I was complaining about what they said. Drunk or not, it's just something I've never heard anywhere else. In UK or in US where guys get pissed quite often :) I've never heard such crp. You're right. They shouldn't have said anything like that and it's not right what they did. However, I don't agree that it wouldn't happen in a different European country. In Dublin, I saw two young Irish (probably, they were speaking English) guys and one of them spat in a black woman's face when passing her (just like that). One American black actress, I forgot the name but it was a headline story in Irleand about 1-1,5 year ago got so much abuse that she swore never to come back to Ireland again, every second taxi driver that I talked to was bitching and moaning about "the blacks". Polish workers living in the Crumlin area found piles of garbage dumped under their front door every morning etc. etc. So, I'm afraid it's not only Poland where such shite is possible. new-expat: But the reasons why you click pick of a handsome guy and picks of a black girl are definitely not the same (don't tell me they are). First of all, it sounds quite odd to take anybody's picture without his/her permission. However, if I saw an extremely attractive black woman and had a camera ready to use with me... ;)

szarlotkaThreads: 14 Posts: 3,072 Joined: Feb 20, 07 Gender: Male	May 29, 09, 17:12 / #75
PlasticPole: and I never seen well behaved drunks As a lifelong 'happy drunk' (as in on the rare occasions in my life that I get drunk I am very happy and friendly as opposed to permanently drunk sense) I like to think I am reasonably well behaved. A little loud sometimes but always happy. Which is strange as alcolhol is supposed to be a depressant. The booze affects different people different ways I guess.

foxtrot1213Threads: 2 Posts: 49 Joined: Aug 29, 08 Gender: Male	Edited by: foxtrot1213 May 30, 09, 20:02 / #80
I am sorry to kow about it. We got our own share of domestic ijdits in Finland. Despite school shootings, 15,000 threats of school shootings, men/women murding their families, being top class in work place bullying in EU...we still believe that 80% of crimes are committed by 20% of foreigners. Don't worry about these clowns.

niejestemcapitaThreads: 3 Posts: 660 Joined: Jan 3, 09 Gender: Female	May 31, 09, 00:38 / #84
southern: they point out the obvious. Does the obvious really need pointing out?

BevKThreads: 18 Posts: 281 Joined: Mar 20, 09 Gender: Female	May 31, 09, 06:25 / #86
theblueenigma: Perhaps they still have b&w tvs and think the earth is flat also eh ? Copernicus :) (Yeah I know he knows this, before anyone else states the obvious!)

new-expat	May 29, 09, 17:03 / #71
Gosh, I'm going to call you 'miss-bad-faith' :) PlasticPole: I never seen well behaved drunks. That's 'cause you've never been to France. Even when drunk we behave like gentlemen ;)

Victoria-Guest	May 29, 09, 17:03 / #72
To new-expat [Guest] Oh, I am wondering if Polish women are so drunk and how did they managed to have sex with Polish Men who are drunk????? What did they do? I see, they must took their clothes off and make sure they know what being naked is for. Good Sex. And Blow Your Mind!

new-expat	May 29, 09, 17:07 / #73
Torq: I'm afraid it's not only Poland where such shite is possible I totally agree. I don't pretend this situation only happens in Poland. I just say that I've never seen it so far in other countries, maybe it's because it tends to happen more often over here.

PlasticPoleThreads: 4 Posts: 2,266 Joined: May 28, 09 Gender: Female	May 29, 09, 17:08 / #74
new-expat: That's 'cause you've never been to France. Even when drunk we behave like gentlemen ;) Well that explains this. You're probably french and think you are better because of that.

PlasticPoleThreads: 4 Posts: 2,266 Joined: May 28, 09 Gender: Female	May 29, 09, 17:14 / #76
szarlotka: The booze affects different people different ways I guess. good point :)

TorqThreads: 41 Posts: 2,532 Joined: Apr 10, 09 Gender: Male GOLD MEMBER	Edited by: Torq May 29, 09, 17:14 / #77
new-expat: maybe it's because it tends to happen more often over here Statistics tell us something different. There's much more racially motivated crime in Germany, Great Britain or France for example. "In France (...) anti-Jewish violence, property destruction, and racist language has been wildly increasing over the last several years and French-Jews are worried more every month that it will spiral even higher." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

SiegfriedThreads: 2 Posts: 100 Joined: Aug 8, 08 Gender: Male	May 30, 09, 13:53 / #78
polish ppl are very straightforward, you have to get used to it. so when we are drunk, you are likely to hear what we think about you ;) and what can you hear if the drunk person is bum from deep countryside?

Rafal_1981	May 30, 09, 15:35 / #79
new-expat: Please read the whole sentence : "some polish friends themselves also tell me that Polish are a bit racist" The reason is that some polish people are self-critical even if there is not a real problem. We are very self-demanding you see.

theblueenigmaThreads: 7 Posts: 215 Joined: Aug 20, 08 Gender: Male	Edited by: theblueenigma May 30, 09, 21:06 / #81
new-expat: In the countryside, some even clicked pics of her Not only do I find that hillarious, but I have to agree with Rafal . . . you are telling lies :) If by some small chance you are telling the truth, and if by some amazing coincidence these simple country folk happened to have a camera when your black friend was walking through the fields (pleaseeeee) Im sure they werent being rude, or racist. You really think Polish country folk have never seen a black person before ? lol Perhaps they still have b&w tvs and think the earth is flat also eh ?

new-expat	May 31, 09, 00:14 / #82
theblueenigma: I have to agree with Rafal . . . you are telling lies :) Gosh... what is it but bad faith... NO I'M NOT. The whole story is that we were 5 ppl (2 polish ppl, 2 french ppl and one dutch guy) on a trip in the North of Poland, near Mazuria Lakes. We ate in a very small restaurant in the night. The restaurant' owner and his teenage son looked at us in a really weird way. Especially our black friend. We had dinner and the teenage guy went somewhere and came back with his old camera. He asked to our polish friends to click a pic with us guy. We were a bit surprised but well, we accepted. So one of the polish guys took the pic, the son thanked him and told him it was te 1st time he saw black ppl and he thought these kind of ppl didn't exist in Poland.

southernThreads: 62 Posts: 6,872 Joined: May 17, 07 Gender: Male	May 31, 09, 00:23 / #83
I found polish people very nice.Yes,they may speak their minds aloud talking about blacks etc but they point out the obvious.

PlasticPoleThreads: 4 Posts: 2,266 Joined: May 28, 09 Gender: Female	May 31, 09, 02:41 / #85
southern: Yes,they may speak their minds aloud talking about blacks etc but they point out the obvious. Do you think all the blacks would move to Poland unless they spoke their minds? I don't get all this jive about blacks. There's not that many there anyway. Do they all wanna move there or something?

McCoyThreads: 42 Posts: 1,699 Joined: Jul 3, 08 Gender: Male	May 31, 09, 10:14 / #87
niejestemcapita: Does the obvious really need pointing out? all the time, unfortunately. 'obvious' seems to be very individual thing.

paleniezabijaThreads: - Posts: 5 Joined: Jun 25, 09 Gender: Male	Jun 25, 09, 21:06 / #88
If I stab a polish guy, he gonna bleed, right? What color will its blood be? Red, that's right. WE ALL BLEED RED, white, black, chinese or lebanese. **** racism!

PiorunThreads: - Posts: 741 Joined: Nov 11, 07 Gender: Male	Jun 25, 09, 21:24 / #89
paleniezabija: ** racism! I'll say. paleniezabija: What color will its blood be? It's? It's? It should be “his” you're talking about a human being not some sort of animal, ** racist.

SeanusThreads: 19 Posts: 22,785 Joined: Dec 25, 07 Gender: Male	Jul 27, 09, 01:23 / #90
I was in with some really nice people today. Please look for some positive people here as they are definitely around.