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wildroverThreads: 180
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  Nov 24, 09, 19:30 /  #
I think the admin should maybe get rid of our names...perhaps just give us a number instead.....???

I AM NOT A NUMBER....I AM A FREE MAN...HA HA HA HA HA....

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11
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  Nov 24, 09, 19:49 /  #
Admin? Can you change my user name to "Bratwurst Boy without his helmet"? snif
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  Nov 24, 09, 19:51 /  #
And can i be the invisible wolf....?
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  Nov 24, 09, 22:05 /  #
Arien:
Layout: Colourless. Little to no imagination. Dull.

Have you ever read a book? Unless it's for children, the layout is usually black-grey-white (light background and black letters) so that it's easy to read..

Arien:
Functionality: Scrambled eggs. Chaotic.

Poster's name on top, poster text right below. It must be very complex for some people indeed..

Arien:
Fun-Factor: None. No smileys, no coloured fonts, little to no code options, not much allowed when it comes to linking, small pictures.

Then it works as it should. Linking - if you know how to do it (it's constructed to be easy), it's possible to link to almost anything. Pictures - if you like to scroll the page when someone posts 1600-1200px size, then we're on different pages as far as functionality and accessibility go. Coloured fonts - it's good for a kindergarden forum.

Arien:
I mean, most of us have an Athlon 64, an Intell Quad or a Phenom3 and a broadband connection. (What? Are you still working on a Commodore 64?)

Is it possible to upgrade one's eyes too? It may be needed if you're into reading colorful text with smileys between them..

Arien:
That's just a weak excuse for someone who can't do graphics. Look, the written word alone isn't interesting. Especially not when half of your forum posters are trolls. (Which you KNOW.)

It's possible to include in post:
  • text,

  • linked images (both full size and thumbnails),

  • embedded youtube videos,

  • upload up to 4 pictues with every post
Some posts have 20 pictues each. But that still means to you 'only the written word'..

Arien:
No, you and yours are truthful right? You're so clear about your intentions right? You're so open, so informative, so honest.

Bunch of amateur psychologists here.

If anything, avatar doesn't change my perspective of the world.

Arien:
These people made donations, and this is how you treat them? Wow!

Are you talking in the name of more than one person or it's just a cheap attempt of amateur psychology?

Arien:
The way some of you take everything so seriously, the way you're all so sensitive when it comes to human behaviour, but accept and tolerate the worst kind of Nazi's here to spout their rubbish..

Like every other poster, you are the part of what makes this forum.

time means:
I prefer the avatars on the right hand side, it's just too cluttered on the left hand side now.

Too much on the left and not enough on the right, the balance is out, not enough yang to ying.

Unless your goal is to exercise your eye balls, moving eyes from left to right isn't helpful : It's better that the 'meat' of the post is in about the same place.

Wroclaw Boy:
Thats a no brainer, to cut down on posters like you and many more that have absolutely nothing to say about Poland but only come here for entertainment purposes. I would say Admins objective is for this site to be a huge educational resource on Poland, now thats not going to happen with three Dutch guys all talking Dutch to each other is it.

Well, I couldn't have said it better myself...

SeanBM:
So Admin, IMO is trying to make it less inforamal and more productive, with less time spent by the mods, cleaning up our rubbish and more time spent on reading actual content.

Yep.

Arien:
Everytime I try to make a Poland related thread someone like you pops up. Pointing the finger, trying to stir up another argument, that's all you're good at..

Lack of instantly-visible avatars may prevent that (to a degree). When a poster focuses on the message first rather than who posted the message then the overall response may not lead to off-topic or personal discussions as easily as it was before.

Arien:
Who are you Wroclaw Boy? Are you Polish? No, you aren't. You just live there.

And the forum actually needs more opinions from people who actually live in Poland. If you're a foreigner in Poland, the reality and everyday experience isn't any different from Polish citizens. And foreigners living in Poland are usually more objective because they can see things from different point of views.

Arien:
So Admin, what is your idea of a PUBLIC forum? Huh? To make a forum which suits only a select few? How many members do you have? 30 something? The rest are..? Guests? Trolls? Always in the background?
:)

It's good that you put a smile after some of your questions because otherwise you would compromise yourself even more :). In fact, the forum should only fit a select few (ie. those who are interested in Poland and Polish news). It is not PUBLICforums.com, but POLISHforums.com.

szarlotka:
I still have hover bovver. When I hover over the # sign I get the post number displayed but when I hover over the user name nowt happens. Is this common or do I have to delve into my browser settings and change something?

What browser do you use? It should work correctly on all modern browsers..

aphrodisiac:
I was never really fond of avatars, but if I am going to be logical and constructive ( and why not) I would say that the ADM should have warned the members about the changes. That would be a logical thing to do in my opinion:)

You haven't lost your avatar, you can still edit/delete it like before. What would you need a warning for?

Harry:
That may be because I use such an outdated browser.

Well, you may miss a lot if you use an outdated browser, that includes all websites (plus your computer's security may be comprised).

Arien:
Conclusion: People are using multiple accounts, (Which has been proven time after time so don't call me paranoid!) because if you log out, and log in under a different username, then viola, another guest was counted in the last hour. Why not add a name list? So people can actually SEE who's online? Now THAT would be transparant and TRUTHFUL. (I thought let's capitalize that word since Admin seems to like it.)

Illusion. Counting is in the last 5 minutes, not last hour.

Arien:
Why not add a name list? So people can actually SEE who's online?

Gold members can actually SEE who's online.

Arien:
most threads are designed to make Polish people look bad.

Anther illusion. Next time you'll write Admin (under different usernames) creates most threads to badmouth Poland :

Arien:
Most of the time, I catch abuse, simply for being Dutch, because it seems it's no longer a Polish forum here, but a British forum for Brits who live in Poland. Just saying that's how it comes across most of the time. Same goes for members from other countries.

You contradict yourself again. First - you want the posts to contain avatars and other 'relevant' information, then you complain people use that information against you? That was my whole point - the less personal information people know about you, the better and more objective the discussion can be. Personal discussions may be still continued over the private mail system.

If a discussion is about WW2 and I know one of the posters is German then my posts may turn personal instead of objective. That's what I want to avoid here.

Arien:
Again, what is your agenda? How do you envision your forum then? Which direction do you want to head? What kind of people do you expect here? What kind of people would you like to see here?

We do hope more people who live in Poland (regardless of their nationality) to post more frequently here. We don't mind their broken English as long as they provide their opinions about life and the situation in Poland.

Arien:
Not practical at all. (Okay maybe your screen is smaller.)

Unless 24 inch is smaller then you must be right.

Arien:
A bit selective aren't they? Like how someone removed a simple greeting from Beckski to another member who hasn't been on for ages..

Simple greeting that evoked 10 other simple greetings in a completely unrelated thread...

Arien:
It's perfectly normal to create a sticky to inform members about new and upcoming changes.

But it seems you'd have missed it because it would have to be written black in white..

Arien:
Can we have a list of active mods, and a list of active usernames? So you know who to address and when? Everything is hidden here. Why is that?

So that next time people don't call you names because you are Dutch?

frd:
I think you're overexaggerating - this is a really big forum, it's not easy to administrate such a mass of people, mods and administrators are human being and don't spend all of their time scanning posts for derogatory language, some posts get deleted some go through the process and it's like that on every forum...

Exactly.

frd:
Why create a new account when you want to ask for just one simple thing.

Exactly. And guests can only posts in selected forums, like classifieds or translations. They cannot post in all forums, including the ones with the most heated discussions.

Arien:
Just so you know, we used to have atleast 10 mods for every section of the board. We would frequently discuss board tasks (And ofcourse a load of other interesting things! ;)) in the hidden Mod room, so it wouldn't clog up the forum.

We had about 200 mods in total. Something tells me you barely have 10 mods.

How impressive: What was the mods' agenda then? Here the board is for everyone to express their own opinions on the topic and as long as the opinions stay on the topic we have no problem with ANY views.

In an ideal forum no mods are needed unless there is a hidden agenda to promote the particular 'views'.

wildrover:
I think the admin should maybe get rid of our names...perhaps just give us a number instead.....???

I AM NOT A NUMBER....I AM A FREE MAN...HA HA HA HA HA....

Would you prefer to have an ILLUSION that you are free than to be free? You, as almost everybody else including me, are already a prisoner of your own fear because you didn't choose your real first and last name as your username. On other forums you can have personalized profiles, but when you post something against the '200 mods agenda' then it won't help you be free..

Guess who invented a very popular nowadays blog feature that you THINK you posted a comment and you can see it on your computer screen but others don't see it? That's self-moderation in the works ;).
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Edited by: osiol   Nov 24, 09, 22:56 /  #
To summarise Admin's last post (and I have been reading between the lines somewhat), he has simply forgotten how to include avatars and is too proud (or too scared) to admit it and is hiding behind ideas like pictures are for children.

EEEEDIT:
I will, however, add that I'm not particularly fussed about it. After all, I don't read much of what anyone else says anymore, so quick recognition of different forum members isn't particularly important to me. It does all seem a bit daft though.
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  Nov 24, 09, 23:00 /  #
osiol, I understand it's good to be the first to reply to set a possible tone of subsequent posts. But now you can comfortably read the message, not just the white space between the lines.. :
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  Nov 24, 09, 23:02 /  #
Admin:
the white space between the lines

That's the interesting and informative bit, surely. After all, letters and words are merely an excess of frivolity and garishness.
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Edited by: Arien   Nov 24, 09, 23:11 /  #
Admin:
You contradict yourself again. First - you want the posts to contain avatars and other 'relevant' information, then you complain people use that information against you?

No, I complain about the attitude of the Moderators and now you, the Administrator. Wroclaw Boy again has a go at the three Dutch guys. What do you do? You're happy to go along with him.

What would I do? I would delete that crap and tell him why. Why can't this forum be about Poland because there are a few Dutch guys I wonder? Because we supposedly talk about Holland all the time? I suppose I'm writing Dutch to you aswell?

Wroclaw Boy never talks about England or anything English right? We never read something about England here right? Don't make me laugh. (You my friend, are contradicting yourself even more so than I am.)

Admin:
That was my whole point - the less personal information people know about you, the better and more objective the discussion can be. Personal discussions may be still continued over the private mail system.

I agree. But my point is that it's upto members themselves how much they are willing to share. It's up to the Moderators and Admins to give certain posters a break sometimes when they're frequently catching abuse, especially when it's for no good reason. (Tell me how I'm wrong.)

Admin:
Have you ever read a book? Unless it's for children, the layout is usually black-grey-white (light background and black letters) so that it's easy to read..

I agree with the light background and the black characters. But the header? The outlines? The buttons? The underlayer? I could think of a few nice Poland-related graphics to spice things up a little.

Admin:
Poster's name on top, poster text right below. It must be very complex for some people indeed..

Yeah, and on a 24 inch screen you have this tiny symbol on the far right, which resembles a small envelope.. (PM button.) Very handy that one. I liked the box on the left, underneath or near the poster's name. It's also very handy how all section headers appear on the right now, and the latest threads on the left. There's no coherence there if you look at it from up/down, and you still have to scroll down to dig for threads if you're looking for one of these sections in particular. (Because you're not always looking for new threads now are you?) So little has changed indeed, but it just doesn't look very logical to me?

Wroclaw Boy:
Thats a no brainer, to cut down on posters like you and many more that have absolutely nothing to say about Poland but only come here for entertainment purposes. I would say Admins objective is for this site to be a huge educational resource on Poland, now thats not going to happen with three Dutch guys all talking Dutch to each other is it.

Admin:
Well, I couldn't have said it better myself...

Oh, is that so? Then explain something to me, (Since it bothers you so much we sometimes (barely!) talk about Holland or barely even trade words in our own language.)

Why all the talk about Britain then? That's not very Polish either is it? Very clever reply, but again, not clever enough. Again, you're being selective. And again, you're happy to go along with someone who frequently abuses members simply for being Dutch. I'm right again am I not?

You respect ANY opinion here? I'm sorry, but it doesn't show. It seems you have to be British here to be able to discuss or read something about Poland. (I already explained why I don't talk about Poland as much as others, and that's because I am Dutch and don't live in Poland.) Does that mean I'm not allowed to be interested in Polish language? (I work with Polish people, and I have a few Polish friends.) Like I've told Wroclaw Boy before, I'm not going to talk about Polish culture. I leave that up to Polish people. So it's nice to have a section where you don't always have to talk about Poland, but where you can still try to learn something by interacting..

For example: A Polish word game like hangman or word association may seem stupid to you, but for me it's educational. (Even the English word games are educational for me, because sometimes, I have to google a word, and I'm learning.)

Admin:
It's good that you put a smile after some of your questions because otherwise you would compromise yourself even more :). In fact, the forum should only fit a select few (ie. those who are interested in Poland and Polish news). It is not PUBLICforums.com, but POLISHforums.com.

Oh really? Well, right now it's accessible for anyone who's interested in Poland, so therefore, it's a public forum. If it's not a public forum, you should make it a private club for a few select people.

Admin:
Is it possible to upgrade one's eyes too? It may be needed if you're into reading colorful text with smileys between them..

I'm just saying you'd have a few more possibilities to spice up your story, or make a colour related thread.

For example: I want to learn Polish colours. I write the names of the colours in Polish, and give the words the right colour. There will always be people who overexaggarate, but this won't be the majority.

Admin:
We do hope more people who live in Poland (regardless of their nationality) to post more frequently here. We don't mind their broken English as long as they provide their opinions about life and the situation in Poland.

Me neither. But I'm sure you've noticed how most of the time some of the British posters jump on a Polish person..

Shall I point it out next time it happens? How do you expect Polish persons to stay with abuse like that? I'm not only talking about the layout here.. I'm more concerned with the attitude here.

Admin:
How impressive: What was the mods' agenda then? Here the board is for everyone to express their own opinions on the topic and as long as the opinions stay on the topic we have no problem with ANY views.

We had no agenda. We accepted everything, had total freedom, but we didn't tolerate any kind of serious abuse, and no discrimination or racial hatred either. You could foul mouth all you wanted in certain threads. (We had poetry and rap battles there, aswell as text battles.) So there was no need to foul mouth or insult anyone on the forum itself, as there were various ways to do this for fun. It sometimes happened things got a little personal, but mostly it was considered cussing with a wink. (Not serious.) I understand this is no Music forum though. But it's cool to have the insult threads. It was a UK based Music forum, with a few more general sections aswell, including an off-topic section.

The philosophy behind that freedom is: Don't let freedom stop for someone, where it begins for someone else. Equality. You shouldn't cross that line, because racial hatred, hatred and serious abuse have nothing to do with freedom of speech. (I can take a few cusswords though.)

Sieg heil? Holocaust didn't happen? Milosevic is innocent? Dutch people are malicious and small people? Jews are to blame? I know you value freedom of speech, but can't you atleast tell some of these people such posts are abusive and offensive towards other members? Forum ettiquette? (And don't get me wrong, you can tell me where I'm wrong aswell!)

Admin:
In an ideal forum no mods are needed unless there is a hidden agenda to promote the particular 'views'.

In an ideal forum everyone recieves the same treatment, wether they are Polish, American, Spanish, Irish, Scottish, Dutch or English shouldn't matter.

It's up to you to make the rules, but do apply those to everyone please? Thank you very much! I'm a problem because I sometimes talk about Holland to someone who actually asks something about Holland? (It happens very rarely though!) You should know that a lot of Polish people work in Holland, or are interested in working there.. So this isn't exactly weird on a Polish forum.

Okay, but suppose this forum can't be Polish because we're so ultra Dutch all the time.. Then why oh why can this forum be Polish with all these people being ultra British all the time?

Or have you never seen anyone say something Irish here? Or haven't you ever read a few scottish phrases? Serbian even? I'm sorry, but I have.. (So talking about the three Dutch guys who always talk Dutch is a very weak argument if you ask me.)

And yes, I smile a lot, because to be honest, most of the time I'm humoured. I don't care if I compromise myself sometimes.

;)

Thanks for answering.
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  Nov 25, 09, 02:23 /  #
Ultimately, admin has all the right to do what he wishes. Somehow though, if he wants things more simple and the written word to shine, the new format seems distracting to me. The large-chunky-bold type by the poster name with facts about postings. Nice facts and all, but I actually liked it better before all the tinkering. We used to have all the facts before, but it was less obtrusive. I am glad the avatars are back.

I've often thought that there is a lot of silly stuff going on that takes away from truly learning about Poland. (The reason I found this site). But, then again, I have learned a lot about Poland, and the other stuff is often amusing or educational in other ways. Keeps me coming back for sure!

Admin. want posters who live in Poland, but they have to speak and write English? Who is their audience then? Why not just have them all speak in Polish and then it will only be posters in Poland. Or is it supposed to be posters from other places who live in Poland? Just a bit confused.

Anyway, whatever happens, happens.
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  Nov 25, 09, 03:47 /  #
For those who missed the last 'layout debate' here it is again. Give it some time and it's likely some of you who don't like it now will like it soon.

Softsong:
Admin. want posters who live in Poland, but they have to speak and write English? Who is their audience then? Why not just have them all speak in Polish and then it will only be posters in Poland. Or is it supposed to be posters from other places who live in Poland? Just a bit confused.

We live in a global society today (not that I support it). English is (or should be) as natural for especially young people (at least students) as Polish is. I've studied English in Poland and I know students would find such website very useful to improve their language.
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  Nov 25, 09, 05:01 /  #
Admin:
Give it some time and it's likely some of you who don't like it now will like it soon.

I will keep you updated every day. I don't like it today.

*giving it some time*

Admin:
We live in a global society today (not that I support it). English is (or should be) as natural for especially young people (at least students) as Polish is. I've studied English in Poland and I know students would find such website very useful to improve their language.

Fair enough. Nevermind then!

Softsong:
But, then again, I have learned a lot about Poland, and the other stuff is often amusing or educational in other ways. Keeps me coming back for sure!

Same here!

:)
Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11
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  Nov 25, 09, 13:09 /  #
Admin:
If a discussion is about WW2 and I know one of the posters is German then my posts may turn personal instead of objective. That's what I want to avoid here.

What do you mean with that???

And now give me my helmet back! grrrrrr
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Edited by: wildrover   Nov 25, 09, 13:28 /  #
Bratwurst Boy:
What do you mean with that???

Bratwurst boy didn,t start world war two , and likely as not neither did his father , or grandfather...i don,t see that him being German should cause any problem with a discussion about the war....

Too often such discussions do not have a German view included , and i think it helps to see another point of view...

Many people will disagree with me , but i see the Germans as victims of Hitlers ambitions , just as other nations were...

ps... give him back his dam helmet...he is not going to invade anyone...!
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  Nov 26, 09, 05:28 /  #
I remember when admin changed avatars from left to right(or the other way around) and reported increase in traffic. Now, getting rid of avatars is supposed to increase the intellectual value of the forum.

Not that I care about the avatars but I wonder where admin gets these ideas from :)
Heck, NASA forum allows avatars.

What's next?
Is the site heading towards thousands of links to pdf files written according to typing standards for theses and dissertations?
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  Nov 26, 09, 05:41 /  #
Admin made quite a few changes during my last 3 years on the forum. All bring an avalanche of comments, complaints and "please don't change' whining (fun to read), but - the forum goes on.

As long as I don't get blinded by some psychedelic choice of colors we can choose to make our post in - I'm fine.
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  Nov 26, 09, 06:04 /  #
z_darius:
Heck, NASA forum allows avatars.

NASA.gov has forums?
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  Nov 26, 09, 06:16 /  #
Admin:
NASA.gov has forums?

Of course they do.
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  Nov 26, 09, 06:20 /  #
z_darius:
Of course they do.

ookay, I see Facebook is really popular everywhere..
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  Nov 27, 09, 14:48 /  #
wildrover:
Where are avatars??


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  Nov 27, 09, 17:54 /  #
And can we have the avatars back please....
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Edited by: PlasticPole   Nov 27, 09, 17:58 /  #
wildrover:
And can we have the avatars back please....

I don't miss the avatars because I know, if I want to see someone's avatar, I just move my cursor over their user name, so, it's not like the avatars are completely gone, just more subtle. To me, the changes aren't that major...just a few subtle changes that might make the new person more interested in the forum, while not disrupting those who are used to the old layout.

Oh wait...I just moved my cursor over my name and my avatar is gone, lol. I should have looked before typing this post :]
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  Nov 27, 09, 18:14 /  #
Avatars back please!
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  Nov 27, 09, 18:28 /  #
The avatars are just the start of a slippery slope....soon our names will be gone...then our words.....the forum will be an empty desert , tumbleweed blowing through the dust....
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  Nov 27, 09, 18:30 /  #
Bratwurst Boy:
Avatars back please!

Yes , can we have the avatars back please....?
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  Nov 27, 09, 18:46 /  #
wildrover:
Yes , can we have the avatars back please....?

Yup! We are not giving up!

*gets pillows, blankets and hot coffee for the protestors at the gates to PF*

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  Nov 28, 09, 15:15 /  #
I welcome the return of the avatars....The forum is looking great now...very happy with it...

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