PolishForums.com mission needs to be plastered on the front of this forum

Mission
PolishForums.com is a free community service for both English and Polish language users. We are here, for all PolishForums.com members, to discuss subjects in the news, both politics and entertainment, that are directly or indirectly related to Poland and Polish people. With its entry into the European Union, Poland has recently become one of the most important countries in Europe. It now strives to achieve a similar position globally. More and more people around the world choose to visit Poland, not only to explore their family roots but for leisure and the pleasure of seeing interesting places, meeting new people, studying the Polish language, or expanding their business endeavors.

Lir	Edited by: Administrator Dec 5, 08, 11:20 / #
Post moved from: http://www.polishforums.com/did_poland_get_out_wars_struggles-34_30159 _12.html Yeah but this doesn't appear to be a Forum for the benefit of Polish people, their country , their interests, their culture etc etc. Nor does it appear to be a forum to introduce people to Poland etc etc. At present , it appears to be a forum to knock Poland and it's people and their culture. Why is that ? Could it be that it is because it makes people post more and more posts apparently make the site look more popular for all the wrong reasons ? The Mission statement for this site in no way reflects the type of posting that goes on in this forum. Maybe the Mission statement needs to be plastered on the front of this forum so everyone can read it, every time they switch onto the site and in that way remind people what they maybe should be posting ? If some people missed the Mission Statement before <this is Polish Forums Official published Mission Statement > Mission PolishForums.com is a free community service for both English and Polish language users. We are here, for all PolishForums.com members, to discuss subjects in the news, both politics and entertainment, that are directly or indirectly related to Poland and Polish people. With its entry into the European Union, Poland has recently become one of the most important countries in Europe. It now strives to achieve a similar position globally. More and more people around the world choose to visit Poland, not only to explore their family roots but for leisure and the pleasure of seeing interesting places, meeting new people, studying the Polish language, or expanding their business endeavors. http://www.polishforums.com/about-us.html As someone who was born in the UK but had Polish parents, I can see things from both sides and really some British people aren't too clever here either, there's a lot of ignorance, prejudice, sloppy standards, rudeness etc etc you don't see polish people going onto specific English forums knocking the British people to the extent of what is happening on here. If this forum did follow closely it's own Mission Statement then I bet the number of posts would increase dramatically and more people with an interest in Poland would come and stay. Just my views :)

Lir	Edited by: Lir Dec 5, 08, 12:15 / #
Thank you Admin :) But I would like it to be known that I did not create this thread. The above post was a reply of mine on another thread. I don't have any objections to it having been moved though :) edit: Would be interesting to hear your views as well Admin ? How do you feel about the content of some of the threads on this forum. :)

loco polacoThreads: 3 Posts: 421 Joined: Aug 5, 08	Dec 5, 08, 12:23 / #
he can't control the content and if/when he tries to exhert even more control, he'll kill this place.

Lir	Dec 5, 08, 12:26 / #
loco polaco: he can't control the content and if/when he tries to exhert even more control, he'll kill this place. What do you think is the purpose of a 'Mission Statement ' ? Are you saying Admin has no control in his Forum ?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Dec 5, 08, 12:28 / #
Lir: PolishForums.com is a free community service for both English and Polish language users. We are here, for all PolishForums.com members, to discuss subjects in the news, both politics and entertainment, that are directly or indirectly related to Poland and Polish people. That's all what we do! It might be often controverse but that's why I'm still hanging around here already for more than a year...as a German! (With a much needed helmet mind you) I think the Admins do alot...they are shoving messages around, warning and banning members...what else do you demand from them?

loco polacoThreads: 3 Posts: 421 Joined: Aug 5, 08	Dec 5, 08, 12:31 / #
Lir: Are you saying Admin has no control in his Forum ? in a way, he does not.. when he tries to ever correct things, like he does, he pisses people off.. he tends to meddle a bunch with people's posts which drives many away.. if he tries even more/harder, he'll kill this place..

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Dec 5, 08, 12:32 / #
I know that a lot of the content on PF is not about what is in the mission statement, however what makes PF so popular is the number of topics discussed on the board. I mean could you imagine if the only topics were things like: 'Translation needed urgently' 'Where can i stay in Poznan?' 'Meaning of Polish name Pysz' 'Looking for a job in Poland' while these are probably closer to the specified mission of the forums, do they really create much excitment in you?? do they make you want to come back again and again and again??? While some of the topics are, or could be viewed as negative, there are as many that are positive. 'Random chat thread' fun 'Who will win Champions League/UEFA CUP/World Cup Quals' Topcial 'The war on terror' Everybody has a view 'what are you listening to right now?' a place to find common ground with others and share you own tracks Its threads like these that keep PF alive, i know i've missed lots of good topics like the on going pf version of eastenders and many many many others such as 'word association' etc etc. The point is the more topics discussed the more people will join and stay a member of PF.

MistyThreads: 6 Posts: 196 Joined: Jul 20, 08	Dec 5, 08, 12:36 / #
loco polaco: he'll kill this place.. You seem to be waiting for that to happen... loco polaco: meddle a bunch with people's posts Ah I see now. It's better to be reading an interesting thread and then suddenly it's fighting and insulting mixed in with the on-topic posts. Silly me, I assumed it was better to have nicely flowing threads without having to read people having personal arguments in them.

Lir	Dec 5, 08, 12:38 / #
Misty: You seem to be waiting for that to happen... He's just posting his views Misty. Maybe you could let us know what your views are as well on the topic in this thread ? :)

MistyThreads: 6 Posts: 196 Joined: Jul 20, 08	Dec 5, 08, 12:46 / #
Lir: He's just posting his views Misty I know that. I think you're suggesting the threads are edited to provide a more negative or controversial view and therefore attract more people. If you do think that then you need to stop looking for the negative threads and concentrate on all the forums. There's a great mix of threads on PF both showing Poland's good points and the bad (and the bad do exist so of course there will be threads about this). There are negative things to be said about some Polish people too and to hide the points about that would be a tragedy. PF reflects a wide spectrum of views, good and bad.

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Dec 5, 08, 13:39 / #
although this seems to have caught the imagination of some of you, do you not think this is making a mountain out of a mole hill??? Every business, organisation & company has its mission statement, which it tries to achieve, meet & maintain throughout its existance. A mission statement is more of a guide than a rule book. In my opinion the mission statement is way to long and the best missions are usually a paragraph long containing a few sentences rather than three created by PF

Lir	Dec 5, 08, 14:22 / #
tornado2007: we all know that. TQM (Total Quality Management) is a perfect solution for a perfect world, You really don't understand what it is all about Torny. It isn't about a text book you may read at University. Lol, I have to go , so am not running off , will debate further when I am next online, not sure when that will be though.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 5, 08, 19:01 / #
Yeah, we don't need conditioning, we need our experiences (devoid of prejudice) to shape our views. Incongruence with the MS is bound to happen where diversity spreads its wings.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Dec 6, 08, 07:50 / #
Admin: they were not written by humans, but by web robots * ERROR IN LINE #25 DOES NOT COMPUTE *

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Dec 5, 08, 12:53 / #
Misty: There's a great mix of threads on PF both showing Poland's good points and the bad (and the bad do exist so of course there will be threads about this). There are negative things to be said about some Polish people too and to hide the points about that would be a tragedy. PF reflects a wide spectrum of views, good and bad. I would agree with that point of view totally, if your going to have a discussion about something, you have to look at both sides. In this case Poland positives is one side and the negatives are another, what is the problem with discussing both??

Lir	Dec 5, 08, 12:53 / #
Misty: I think you're suggesting the threads are edited to provide a more negative or controversial view and therefore attract more people. Not really. Have you read the official Mission Statement ? I never wrote it, Admin did. I originally wrote it as a reply to a post on another thread. Admin has made a topic out of it and it's here for debate. Misty: If you do think that then I don't think in that way Misty. Misty: There are negative things to be said about some Polish people too and to hide the points about that would be a tragedy. Why would that be a tragedy ? I don't understand your choice of words here. The Mission statement says :- "Like any country, Poland experiences problems and PolishForums.com is also a place to discuss these problems and potential solutions. respectfully expressed," Do you think the negative comments are 'respectfully expressed' ?

loco polacoThreads: 3 Posts: 421 Joined: Aug 5, 08	Dec 5, 08, 12:57 / #
Misty: Ah I see now. It's better to be reading an interesting thread and then suddenly it's fighting and insulting mixed in with the on-topic posts. Silly me, I assumed it was better to have nicely flowing threads without having to read people having personal arguments in them. if that was all the meddling, i don't think it would be a problem.. but the meddling is like no other forum i've ever been to. it's very heavy handed at times.. at least half the time, it makes no sense..

MistyThreads: 6 Posts: 196 Joined: Jul 20, 08	Dec 5, 08, 13:02 / #
Lir: Have you read the official Mission Statement lol - yes and the rules too, when I first joined, not just recently. Lir: Why would that be a tragedy ? I don't understand your choice of words here. Sorry, bad English. Simply I meant it would be a tragedy to hide negative points about Poland or Polish people. Lir: Do you think the negative comments are 'respectfully expressed' ? Not all of them but then this isn't a perfect world. If it was then we'd be saying "my dear Lady, I apologise but I feel we differ on this subject. I respect your differing opinion as you respect mine." People argue. Some people don't like Poland or Polish people and they aren't going to put those points forward nicely 100% of the time.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Dec 5, 08, 13:03 / #
Lir: Yeah but this doesn't appear to be a Forum for the benefit of Polish people, their country , their interests, their culture etc etc. Nor does it appear to be a forum to introduce people to Poland etc etc. I disagree, i think there are lots of useful information threads on this forum and every day it is being updated. Lir: At present , it appears to be a forum to knock Poland and it's people and their culture. Why is that ? Could it be that it is because it makes people post more and more posts apparently make the site look more popular for all the wrong reasons ? I have considered this very thought myself. But I also see that people react to negativity more than positivity. A bit like the newspapers in some ways. Lir: The Mission statement for this site in no way reflects the type of posting that goes on in this forum. Again I disagree, I do of course know what you are talking about but controversy and arguments is what a lot of people on here want. I do find all this a bit strange coming from a person who does not practice what they preach so much, Perhaps you could look to yourself? I don't want you to think I am being sarcastic. A while ago I got a bit lost in on PF, so I decided to change my tact, to give what I think might be useful information in my own words. Lir: people aren't too clever here either, there's a lot of ignorance, prejudice, sloppy standards, rudeness etc etc I think this is a very good point, so quite a few people are arguing and debating. Of course there will always be people who can not learn but I do suppose that at least some people's views have changed for the better through discussion, what do you think Lir? I know this was an accedental thread of sorts but perhaps it is a good point of discussion.

Lir	Edited by: Lir Dec 5, 08, 13:20 / #
SeanBM: I disagree, i think there are lots of useful information threads on this forum and every day it is being updated. There are some really useful threads I agree . SeanBM: A bit like the newspapers in some ways. English newspapers ? SeanBM: I do find all this a bit strange coming from a person whose threads are * PolishForums.com mission needs to be plastered on the front of this forum * Interesting "newspaper" links Why ? and also you are very selective in the two posts you have picked up ? I have posted on many different topics. In fact i have been posting in PF on and off for since June 2007. What is wrong in discussing Polish Forums Mission Statement ? Admin has seen fit to create this as a topic and it's his Mission statement. I don't think it is intended as a personal go at me but if you wish to do that rather than debate, I don't mind really. Because at the end of the day, the Mission Statement should be changed if Polish Forums does not aspire to it ? Because isn't that what a Mission Statement is for ? SeanBM: I don't want you to think I am being sarcastic. I don't think you are being sarcastic. My mind doesn't work in that way ? I enjoy a lively debate. One shouldn't assume that because one thinks in a certain way that the other person also does ? A good debate encompasses everyones views without needing to make any personal attacks against someone because their views do not coincide with their own. I uphold that view and always have done. Or I try very hard to do so :) SeanBM: but I do suppose that at least some people's views have changed for the better through discussion, what do you think Lir? I can't really answer that because people own their own views so you will need to ask them. Maybe ask here a general question or start another thread with that topic ? SeanBM: perhaps it is a good point of discussion. Yes I agree. And I did mention this in my post two but it is worthwhile debating it I agree :)

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Dec 5, 08, 13:32 / #
Lir: English newspapers ? All newspapers. I remember when I was a kid hearing of a newspaper that only printed good news, nobody bought it. People like negative things, there has to be a problem to overcome in a story. Nothing about English or England. Lir: Why ? and also you are very selective in the two posts you have picked up ? That is why I edit my post, but I was not selective, they are the only two, well one you have made. Lir: What is wrong in discussing Polish Forums Mission Statement ? Nothing, I think in light of recent events it is a good idea. Lir: I don't think it is intended as a personal go at me I don't think so either. Lir: but if you wish to do that rather than debate, do what exactly? I am making points. Lir: the Mission Statement should be changed if Polish Forums does not aspire to it ? Because isn't that what a Mission Statement is for ? I would have written the Mission Statement should be changed if Polish Forums members do not aspire to it ? It is not the mission statement to blame. The same way it is not the laws fault murder is wrong yet people still commit it. Lir: One shouldn't assume that because one thinks in a certain way that the other person also does ? Ha ha ha ha ha, nice try Lir: A good debate encompasses everyones views without needing to make any personal attacks against someone because their views do not coincide with their own. What are you talking about? what personal attack? Lir: I can't really answer that because people own their own views so you will need to ask them. Maybe ask here a general question or start another thread with that topic ? I think this is a valid point and you are the one who brought it up. Lir: Yes I agree. And I did mention this in my post two but it is worthwhile debating it I agree :) Well then we both agree :)

Lir	Edited by: Lir Dec 5, 08, 14:08 / #
SeanBM: That is why I edit my post, but I was not selective, they are the only two, well one you have made. Oh , you meant threads ? I didn't create this one today Admin did. Also, the newspaper link one had links to newspapers across the Globe and we do have many different nationalities in here including Polish so I thought it was relevant and useful in this forum. SeanBM: I would have written the Mission Statement should be changed if Polish Forums members do not aspire to it ? I don't actually agree on your interpretation :) I was going to write more here, and I will but I think first of all Admin should come on here and answer that point. After all, this is his Mission statement is it not ? Please could Admin post a link as to where members are told about the Mission Statement. Because how can any PF member aspire to something they may not be aware of ? I acknowledge it may well be here somewhere but I have never seen it on PF < but I could easily have just missed it > SeanBM: Ha ha ha ha ha, nice try I'm not trying anything. You can't know what a person is thinking unless they write it down or communicate it to you in such a way. I have to go soon so unfortunately won't be replying to any more posts this evening. Leave the rest of you to debate this evening :) Would be nice for Admin to say some words. After all this is his forum and he must have spent some time on the Mission Statement initially. tornado2007: A mission statement is more of a guide than a rule book. In my opinion the mission statement is way to long and the best missions are usually a paragraph long containing a few sentences rather than three created by PF Lol .....I think you are making things up now. Read up on Total Quality Management and why Mission Statements were born :) Have a nice evening :) If I missed replying to anybody, it wasn't intentional but I have to go but will reply tomorrow and hope that is ok :)

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Dec 5, 08, 14:17 / #
About us That's the link you're looking for. I don't see anything wrong with the Mission Statement.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Dec 5, 08, 14:19 / #
Lir, I just think you are just accusing Admin Lir: Oh , you meant threads ? I meant what I said and I said threads, read it again. Lir: I don't actually agree on your interpretation Ok, I will wait for your points. Lir: I think first of all Admin should come on here and answer that point. After all, this is his Mission statement is it not ? But perhaps you ought to make your point more clear? I disagreed with it and I hope we can discuss it further. Lir: Have a nice evening :) You too, take care

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Dec 5, 08, 14:19 / #
Lir: Read up on Total Quality Management and why Mission Statements were born :) lol, business is not run from books, we all know that. TQM (Total Quality Management) is a perfect solution for a perfect world, which we do not live in, a lot of the tutors at University said that the book only gets you as far as the degree and beyond that its actual experience that pays off.

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Dec 5, 08, 14:30 / #
Lir: You really don't understand what it is all about Torny. hhhhhmmmmmmm really, what was it you said again?? ow yes: Lir: Read up on Total Quality Management i think that was it, why mention reading if it has nothing to do with the books you read at university, lol??? I mean what you read on the net is only a different version that says the same thing as in a book. Lir: It isn't about a text book you may read at University. Lol, then what am i supposed to be reading?? lol :):):) Lir: I have to go , so am not running off , will debate further when I am next online, not sure when that will be though. no problems, have a good weekend

AdminThreads: 75 Posts: 3,092 Joined: Oct 31, 05 [Administrator]	Edited by: Admin Dec 5, 08, 14:30 / #
Lir: How do you feel about the content of some of the threads on this forum. :) I live in denial and pretend they were not written by humans, but by web robots :}. Lir: But I would like it to be known that I did not create this thread. You kept repeating it all over again. What are you afraid of? If your post stayed in the old thread, it would have received exact the same responses from other members. I don't see a reason why you would like to be "known you did not create this thread." Lir: Please could Admin post a link as to where members are told about the Mission Statement. Because how can any PF member aspire to something they may not be aware of ? I acknowledge it may well be here somewhere but I have never seen it on PF < but I could easily have just missed it > You copy-pasted the whole mission statement from the "About us" page (link to this page appears on almost 20,000 pages) and now you claim you cannot find it? Lir: What do you think is the purpose of a 'Mission Statement ' ? A Mission Statement means how the authors and creators of this forum would act and how they would behave if they were the only participants in this forum. It is also a guideline on how we hope all posters to behave. But since the authors of this website make only 0.0007% of all forum participants, it's hard to blame them for the views of 99.9993% of the other posters. A Mission Statement is not a directive on how or what people should think.

Lir	Edited by: Lir Dec 6, 08, 11:58 / #
Admin: I live in denial You should maybe get some therapy for that then cos it can't be good for your psyche to be living like that then :) Admin: pretend they were not written by humans, but by web robots :}. So explain please what the difference is between the two then ? :) Admin: You kept repeating it all over again. Not really. I mentioned it where I felt it was appr opriate in response to another poster. Sometimes helps to clarify a point if someone has missed it :) Admin: What are you afraid of? I'm not afraid of anything <I did used to be scared of spiders but I conquered that , and now I just don't like them> Life's far too short to be scared of anything :) Admin: If your post stayed in the old thread, it would have received exact the same responses from other members Precisely, so why did you feel the need to make it into a separate thread then without asking me if I was happy about it ? Surely it would have been the more respectful thing to do i.e. ask me first ! Admin: I don't see a reason why you would like to be "known you did not create this thread." Why not ? If someone else creates a thread under my nickname then it should be duly noted that this has happened. It shows in my profile that I created a thread when in fact I hadn't. I deal in fact, not fiction :) Admin: You copy-pasted the whole mission statement I did , that is true. But I didn't get it off PF. I was doing some research and came across another site which had a lot of detailed information about PF and analysis of traffic etc and it had the Mission Statement on there. Admin, why would I ask for a link to where it is on the site if I knew where it was already. That is such an illogical thought that I can't comment much further. I'm not playing a game here. Either this is a fair debate or it isn't. If you want a fair debate , great ! If not, then why start of a separate thread. I admire your Mission Statement and think it is well thought out and pretty good in terms of its objectives but I do think that most posters know nothing about it. So , I ask the question again, what is the point of the Mission Statement for PF ? Admin: A Mission Statement means how the authors and creators of this forum would act and how they would behave if they were the only participants in this forum. That's not correct. Factual comment not a criticism. Admin: A Mission Statement is not a directive on how or what people should think. No, I would agree with that. So it starts to make some more sense now. Your statement is not in the truest sense a proper Mission statement. Therefore, it's just something that was written on a page and really doesn't mean too much too any poster or member of PF. I am merely debating here <in the truest sense of debating, my intention is not to have a'go' at anyone. I do not have that sort of mindset. If anyone wishes to personalise this or 'have a go at me' then feel free. It is after all a Forum where anything <to a large extent is acceptable> but I thought the thread was created so that people could debate the issues. I've absolutely no interest in turning this into an argument or slanging match because I really am not into that kind of situation. tornado2007: I mean what you read on the net is only a different version that says the same thing as in a book. I've introduced it, practised it and brought it into play in some corporate companies so I can safely say I can put my money where my mouth is on this issue, maybe that is the problem here. I talk from much experience and don't view things like some other people because of that and that is why I took the Mission statement seriously. I'm stopping here now because as I said before I don't wish ti get into silly, petty arguments or slanging matches. It's a shame that it couldn't be properly debated, maybe <my view> it would have made PF <in some respects> a more enjoyable site for many new posters <who don't stay> as well as for some existing members who never want to add their views whether or not they agree with it. Have a nice evening :)

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Dec 6, 08, 12:04 / #
Lir: came across another site which had a lot of detailed information about PF and analysis of traffic etc Could you post that here, I would like to take a look, if nobody minds. SeanBM: I would have written the Mission Statement should be changed if Polish Forums members do not aspire to it ? PolskaDoll: I don't actually agree on your interpretation Why not?

Lir	Dec 6, 08, 12:07 / #
SeanBM: Could you post that here, I would like to take a look, if nobody minds. I'm happy to post it to Admin and it's up to him if he wishes to pass on the info.... Hope that's agreeable to you Seanus :)