Why was my last post deleted and censored?

lukimp80:

Athough I disagree with her views, I have never seen where she wrote anything that were derogatory to anybody. She is a very intelligent girl, and handles her dissents very diplomatically. NO, there is no way that anyone can convince me that her post should have been deleted.

CalicoeThreads: 1 Posts: 205 Joined: Aug 15, 08	Edited by: Calicoe Feb 19, 09, 16:32 / #
Why was my post providing multiple links to substantiate my argument on British Anti-Americianism deleted, and the thread closed ("Poles make good Prostitutes, says BBC DJ")? Another poster made outright insults and personal slurs against me, and yet I am deleted and censored due to my ability to marshall substantiated points by major media sources in the defense of my argument. Furthermore, the censorship is done in stealth, so that we can never get a full image of what is going on. Is blatant censorship of substantiated arguments about British anti-Americanism blocked here, but virulent racism and neo-nazi posturing is not? Thanks in advance.

VincentThreads: 15 Posts: 1,706 Joined: Sep 9, 07 [Moderator]	Feb 19, 09, 17:16 / #
Calicoe, have you looked carefully at the Forum Rules and Code of Conduct to see if there is a clue there, to why your posts may have been removed?

lukimp80Threads: 3 Posts: 109 Joined: Dec 1, 08	Feb 19, 09, 17:45 / #
Athough I disagree with her views, I have never seen where she wrote anything that were derogatory to anybody. She is a very intelligent girl, and handles her dissents very diplomatically. NO, there is no way that anyone can convince me that her post should have been deleted.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Edited by: PolskaDoll Feb 19, 09, 17:47 / #
polishforums.com/random_chat_thread_deleted_monthly-47_3268 0_23.html#msg628652 polishforums.com/random_chat_thread_deleted_monthly-47_3268 0_23.html#msg628641 Calicoe: Furthermore, the censorship is done in stealth, so that we can never get a full image of what is going on. Is blatant censorship of substantiated arguments about British anti-Americanism blocked here, but virulent racism and neo-nazi posturing is not? Technically it's a Polish forum and your British/American chatter was going on in a thread about a DJ who said something about Poles. The last two posts from that thread were removed to random chat (not deleted - please check your own profile and your latest posting list) where you can continue that line of conversation or indeed start a thread in the off-topic lounge. Posts are rarely deleted here. That's a fact members should acknowledge. Random Chat exists for a reason. lukimp80: that her post should have been deleted. They were NOT deleted.

CalicoeThreads: 1 Posts: 205 Joined: Aug 15, 08	Edited by: Calicoe Feb 19, 09, 18:14 / #
PolskaDoll: Technically it's a Polish forum and your British/American chatter was going on in a thread about a DJ who said something about Poles. The last two posts from that thread were removed to random chat OMG - they were removed to a random chat thread. I would have no way of knowing this without being informed, short of telepathy. I can appreciate your response and explanation about the title of the thread and British/American chatter - vaguely - except that you selectively moved MY post and not his. That is outright bias and diminishes every attempted defense here otherwise. *edit: It is not outright censorship, but it is definitely entering into a very muted form. I will start a thread with an appropriate title next time. Again, thank you for the explanation.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08	Edited by: pawian Feb 19, 09, 18:39 / #
Is the whole brawl about this? : Forum rules http://www.polishforums.com/privacy-conduct.html#rules Rule No 12 12. If a post contains a link to an outside source (especially an article), it is recommended that in addition to this link the poster quotes one or two sentences from the article.

CalicoeThreads: 1 Posts: 205 Joined: Aug 15, 08	Feb 19, 09, 18:45 / #
I think partly. Thanks Pawian. I will be gone for a few days. But I hope to start some new and productive threads when I get back. Good night all, and to all a good night.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08	Edited by: pawian Feb 19, 09, 18:47 / #
Calicoe: I think partly. I am not sure about it. In the rule it says recommended. It doesn`t mean obligatory. I will be gone for a few days. But I hope to start some new and productive threads when I get back. Good night all, and to all a good night. Good night and don`t let little misfortunes put you off.

CalicoeThreads: 1 Posts: 205 Joined: Aug 15, 08	Feb 19, 09, 18:48 / #
lukimp80: Athough I disagree with her views, I have never seen where she wrote anything that were derogatory to anybody. She is a very intelligent girl, and handles her dissents very diplomatically. NO, there is no way that anyone can convince me that her post should have been deleted. Thank you lukimp80, especially since we have disagreed in the past. That was very generous of you. I look forward to more productive discussions with you in the future, even if we disagree.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Feb 19, 09, 19:07 / #
Calicoe: they were removed to a random chat thread. I would have no way of knowing this without being informed, short of telepathy. As I said, if you checked your own profile and looked at your latest replies you would see random chat there and if you'd clicked on it at that time it would have taken you to that post. pawian: In the rule it says recommended. It doesn`t mean obligatory. Correct. It's just nicer to have a short quote from the article in order to know the content but posts aren't moved for not having a quote.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Edited by: plk123 Feb 19, 09, 19:41 / #
maybe earlier in the year... in between the time zgub and others moved on and the time where you two seriously picked up the pace. it may have been 2-3 months.. maybe more... it was almost unnoticable or at least it wasn't bothersome as it sometimes tends to be.

CalicoeThreads: 1 Posts: 205 Joined: Aug 15, 08	Feb 19, 09, 19:11 / #
PolskaDoll: As I said, if you checked your own profile and looked at your latest replies you would see random chat there and if you'd clicked on it at that time it would have taken you to that post. I didn't know previously. Now I know.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Feb 19, 09, 19:15 / #
pawian: obligatory. that's what is meant though. :D see below.. PolskaDoll: Correct. It's just nicer to have a short quote from the article in order to know the content but posts aren't moved for not having a quote. BS. you tweak it every time if it's not followed as "recommended".

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Feb 19, 09, 19:16 / #
plk123: BS. you tweak it every time if it's not followed as "recommended". Trying to cause some bother plk123?

CalicoeThreads: 1 Posts: 205 Joined: Aug 15, 08	Feb 19, 09, 19:19 / #
As long as we're on the topic of technicalities, what does the little man or profile head mean next to people's status? Is it number of posts or something?

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Feb 19, 09, 19:20 / #
Calicoe: As long as we're on the topic of technicalities, what does the little man or profile head mean next to people's status? Is it number of posts or something? It means that person has pictures in their profiles. :)

CalicoeThreads: 1 Posts: 205 Joined: Aug 15, 08	Feb 19, 09, 19:23 / #
Oh, OK thanks. That makes sense, I guess. I am definitely not a techie, lol. Good night, and thanks again. No hard feelings.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Feb 19, 09, 19:23 / #
No hard feelings at all. :) Good night. :)

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Feb 19, 09, 19:26 / #
PolskaDoll: Trying to cause some bother plk123? you can call it what you wish but in fact i am expressing my opinion on this subject as it's a constant pita for everyone, including me. why do you think you get these type of threads constantly? there is a reason and you or the admin or someone ought to get a clue.. last year, when the forums were basically unmoderated, this place was the best.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Feb 19, 09, 19:33 / #
plk123: last year, when the forums were basically unmoderated, I don't understand that bit, it's been moderated since it opened in 05 and certainly last year it was moderated by myself, Admin and a few others.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Feb 19, 09, 19:50 / #
There may have been a relaxation in the level of moderating due to Zgubi's disappearance.