How do you like the new PF's look?

Bratwurst Boy:

I WANT MY HELMET BAAAAAAACK!

osiol:

but I think someone thinks they're a pioneer blazing the trail for all other websites to do away with frippery and excess whereas actually, it looks like a pointless programming exercise

Seanus:

It's better in a way as it encourages members to take an interest in others by looking at their profile.

osiol:

The word pathetic comes to mind. It doesn't bother me, but I think someone thinks they're a pioneer blazing the trail for all other websites to do away with frippery and excess whereas actually, it looks like a pointless programming exercise that only makes the avatars that lurk behind the scenes, pointless.

Bzibzioh:

Home page is OK but bugs me when I have to check every time the gender of the person I'm responding to before I type he/she in my comment.

Seanus:

In real life, my only connection to a sheep is the fact that I'm from Aberdeen.

PolskaDoll:

Yes and it encourages people to discuss things without being distracted by pictures of people or whatever they choose that represent themselves.

Admin:

You can always use "you" or use the usernaame.

frd:

I haven't actually seen a single post with a comment on somebody's avatar, hence where's the distraction factor? I mean I don't look at "somebody's posts thinking Hmm he must be stupid his avatar is stupid" or "she's got a sexy avatar must be sexy irl, let's harras her", haven't seen such situations in here.

Bzibzioh:

Of course I can get around it but what was the harm in leaving those little gender signs the way they were? It's just overkill.

PolskaDoll:

Besides, it takes about two seconds after reading a post to find out the gender of the poster if the reader so desires.

PolskaDoll:

I appreciate that you may not be distracted

frd:

Some people will check avatar and gender before posting all the time anyway

frd:

Precisely every person who found it distracting could turn them off... it was all there all the time.

PolskaDoll:

it takes about two seconds after reading a post to find out the gender of the poster if the reader so desires.

Bzibzioh:

But doing extra two seconds of work offends my Polish work ethic. Plus it will almost certainly degrade the environment in some way I can’t be bothered to invent. Clearly, something must be done.

And BTW: There is a great need for sarcasm font, too.

PolskaDoll:

ShawnH: Take your mouse, pop the cursor over your user name (or anyone who you desire) and you'll find all the info that was previous available, just not so "in your face". ;)

PolskaDoll:

But they didn't. Sometimes it's all they talked about...

frd:

What about nicknames? User names can be used in exactly the same way as avatars were.. that is, distracting.

PolskaDoll:

They do but they shouldn't. People should be respected for their posts only.

ShawnH:

There is no point in discussion though, as this is admin's domain, and he will do what he want's with it regardless of the discussion of pro's and cons.

Bratwurst Boy:

I'm a German on a polish forum

Eurola:

I like your helmet

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Edited by: Dice Nov 25, 09, 23:21 / #
Do you like how PolishForums look like?

DiceThreads: 20 Posts: 677 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Nov 26, 09, 00:04 / #
I voted for "It sucks, but then it always sucked". To be honest with you I always thought this website had sort of a "home made" look. But then the look does not make the website - it's the content. So it's still a good website, mainly thanks to so many people posting on it.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Nov 26, 09, 01:02 / #
I WANT MY HELMET BAAAAAAACK!

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Nov 26, 09, 01:05 / #
Bratwurst Boy: I WANT MY HELMET BAAAAAAACK! BB, your helmet is not gone. Take your cursor and hover over your name.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 26, 09, 01:10 / #
It's better in a way as it encourages members to take an interest in others by looking at their profile. I've seen gender mistakes and nationality ones too by just assuming rather than checking.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Nov 26, 09, 01:12 / #
The word pathetic comes to mind. It doesn't bother me, but I think someone thinks they're a pioneer blazing the trail for all other websites to do away with frippery and excess whereas actually, it looks like a pointless programming exercise that only makes the avatars that lurk behind the scenes, pointless.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Nov 26, 09, 01:25 / #
osiol: but I think someone thinks they're a pioneer blazing the trail for all other websites to do away with frippery and excess whereas actually, it looks like a pointless programming exercise Lots of forums don't use avatars so it's not pioneering at all. Seanus: It's better in a way as it encourages members to take an interest in others by looking at their profile. Yes and it encourages people to discuss things without being distracted by pictures of people or whatever they choose that represent themselves. And those that choose pictures to represent themselves on PF haven't actually lost them.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 [Suspended]	Nov 26, 09, 01:28 / #
Home page is OK but bugs me when I have to check every time the gender of the person I'm responding to before I type he/she in my comment. Avatars added some personality (although I never bothered to get one myself).

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 26, 09, 01:30 / #
True enough. In real life, my only connection to a sheep is the fact that I'm from Aberdeen.

AdminThreads: 75 Posts: 3,092 Joined: Oct 31, 05 [Administrator]	Nov 26, 09, 01:40 / #
osiol: The word pathetic comes to mind. It doesn't bother me, but I think someone thinks they're a pioneer blazing the trail for all other websites to do away with frippery and excess whereas actually, it looks like a pointless programming exercise that only makes the avatars that lurk behind the scenes, pointless. When someone reads a post and it's interesting, then they may check the profile and avatar. Why check avatar or the whole profile if the post turns out useless.. Bzibzioh: Home page is OK but bugs me when I have to check every time the gender of the person I'm responding to before I type he/she in my comment. You can always use "you" or use the usernaame. Seanus: In real life, my only connection to a sheep is the fact that I'm from Aberdeen. Maybe the grass is greener on osiol's side :

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06	Nov 26, 09, 04:04 / #
Wow. I few days of not visiting PF and I came to a new place. Well..not bad, just different. We are such huge creatures of habit that when something gets changed - it creates confusion and a desire for a good, old, familiar view... Admin tends to keep us on our toes changing "the view" now then. When it happens, there is some biting and moaning but after that - things go back to normal. My first impression was negative (of course), but then I read more on the subject and now I like the idea of being gender neutral. Don't we all tend to assume first? If you see the post and see that the poster is a woman (or a man) you're are most likely to interpret it accordingly to the gender. However, if just read the content you start analyzing, wondering etc..then you may want to check who the person is. It's good to exercise your mind! Try to take a different route to work now and then. You'll be amazed how many new things you'll see on the way :) Just like here. Admin, I'm just glad that you did not play with any vibrant colors this time like you did in the past. That** was bad.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Nov 26, 09, 01:42 / #
PolskaDoll: Yes and it encourages people to discuss things without being distracted by pictures of people or whatever they choose that represent themselves. I haven't actually seen a single post with a comment on somebody's avatar, hence where's the distraction factor? I mean I don't look at "somebody's posts thinking Hmm he must be stupid his avatar is stupid" or "she's got a sexy avatar must be sexy irl, let's harras her", haven't seen such situations in here. Beside avatars were an option, so it was always up to the user what he was actually seeing in his browser.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 [Suspended]	Nov 26, 09, 01:48 / #
Admin: You can always use "you" or use the usernaame. Of course I can get around it but what was the harm in leaving those little gender signs the way they were? It's just overkill.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Nov 26, 09, 01:54 / #
frd: I haven't actually seen a single post with a comment on somebody's avatar, hence where's the distraction factor? I mean I don't look at "somebody's posts thinking Hmm he must be stupid his avatar is stupid" or "she's got a sexy avatar must be sexy irl, let's harras her", haven't seen such situations in here. Well, I have, often as have the other members of the admin team. I appreciate that you may not be distracted by avatars but some are and we read ALL posts in ALL forums so we do see distractions where others may not. Fair enough. To put it simply - the posts are going to be the most important thing on PF, which they should be. The relevance of posters genders, nationality, colour, pictures should come far after the relevance of their points. Besides, it takes about two seconds after reading a post to find out the gender of the poster if the reader so desires.

AdminThreads: 75 Posts: 3,092 Joined: Oct 31, 05 [Administrator]	Nov 26, 09, 01:56 / #
Bzibzioh: Of course I can get around it but what was the harm in leaving those little gender signs the way they were? It's just overkill. Some call it 'net neutrality' ;

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 26, 09, 01:58 / #
True enough. It is the onus of the poster to look at the gender if they are discussing sth like abortion. When I saw Shelley and Cheehaw come and discuss the feminine side of it, the academic blurb paled into insignificance and I shut up. People can't have it too easy and we all need to look for info these days.

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Nov 26, 09, 02:37 / #
PolskaDoll: Besides, it takes about two seconds after reading a post to find out the gender of the poster if the reader so desires. All right but it still depended on the user, earlier if he wanted to he could just turn on avatars. Some people will check avatar and gender before posting all the time anyway - why make it harder for them when they could have an option "popup window information - yes/no" "main page information - yes/no" PolskaDoll: I appreciate that you may not be distracted Precisely every person who found it distracting could turn them off... it was all there all the time.

TlumThreads: 17 Posts: 136 Joined: Feb 20, 07	Nov 26, 09, 02:45 / #
The poll says page lacks avatars, but I can see avatars when I hover over the username. What did I miss? :)

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Nov 26, 09, 02:50 / #
frd: Some people will check avatar and gender before posting all the time anyway They do but they shouldn't. People should be respected for their posts only. frd: Precisely every person who found it distracting could turn them off... it was all there all the time. But they didn't. Sometimes it's all they talked about... The problems arise where people immediately jump on changes and don't truly consider them or allow time for them to sink in and for true feelings to arise. I've learned in my life to look at changes, try them for a bit and then comment, my own boss certainly appreciates my comments on changes once I have given them time to settle. He appreciate comments less when they are immediately negative without trial time. If people look at PF and think "OK, this is not my ideal but I'll let it go for a week or more and see" then give it a week or more and realise pages move quicker, things are easier to read, comments are less personal, then they might see that the changes are actually good.

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09	Nov 26, 09, 02:54 / #
I don't like the home page. But I only go there to see who is on line, so no biggie. I miss the avatars and member info (whether it is on the right or left - but preferably on the left). It is a handy quick visual on who posted what. Having the member info let's you know how long the member has been a member, and how prolific they are. I tend to treat people differently based on knowing who they claim to be. I was always taught to treat a lady with respect, and now I won't know unless I take the extra step to find out if they are a lady. Oh well, I guess I will have to treat everybody equally poor now. There is no point in discussion though, as this is admin's domain, and he will do what he want's with it regardless of the discussion of pro's and cons.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 [Suspended]	Nov 26, 09, 02:54 / #
PolskaDoll: it takes about two seconds after reading a post to find out the gender of the poster if the reader so desires. But doing extra two seconds of work offends my Polish work ethic. Plus it will almost certainly degrade the environment in some way I can’t be bothered to invent. Clearly, something must be done. And BTW: There is a great need for sarcasm font, too.

PolskaDollThreads: 44 Posts: 4,134 Joined: Jun 15, 07	Edited by: PolskaDoll Nov 26, 09, 02:56 / #
ShawnH: Take your mouse, pop the cursor over your user name (or anyone who you desire) and you'll find all the info that was previous available, just not so "in your face". ;) Bzibzioh: But doing extra two seconds of work offends my Polish work ethic. Plus it will almost certainly degrade the environment in some way I can’t be bothered to invent. Clearly, something must be done. And BTW: There is a great need for sarcasm font, too. :)

ShawnHThreads: 9 Posts: 3,056 Joined: Jul 2, 09	Nov 26, 09, 03:03 / #
PolskaDoll: ShawnH: Take your mouse, pop the cursor over your user name (or anyone who you desire) and you'll find all the info that was previous available, just not so "in your face". ;) Yes, I have read the thread ;-) Still a pain in the butt. Not so in your face? People had the option of not displaying avatars. That feature worked well for those that prefer the not in your face option.

KrystalThreads: 7 Posts: 108 Joined: Sep 17, 09	Nov 26, 09, 03:19 / #
I think it is much better and I noticed you added more avatars. I like those very much. I think we have to go to our profile and look for avatars and you have to click avatars and see all new avatars. Am I correct????

frdThreads: 8 Posts: 1,956 Joined: Feb 3, 09	Nov 26, 09, 03:49 / #
PolskaDoll: But they didn't. Sometimes it's all they talked about... I'm not really that much against all these new changes, I'm just curious what stood behind hence me dwelling on the topic ;) What about nicknames? User names can be used in exactly the same way as avatars were.. that is, distracting.

AdminThreads: 75 Posts: 3,092 Joined: Oct 31, 05 [Administrator]	Nov 26, 09, 03:56 / #
frd: What about nicknames? User names can be used in exactly the same way as avatars were.. that is, distracting. Username, just like text, is in text format. Avatar is not. Text (username) between other text is not distracting, but graphics can be.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Nov 26, 09, 04:12 / #
PolskaDoll: They do but they shouldn't. People should be respected for their posts only. I still wouldn't know that "Osiol" means "donkey" if I wouldn't had seen his avatar (and organized a Donkey-rescue-mission) (Not to mention the connection between "Lodz" and "Boat"...etc.) ShawnH: There is no point in discussion though, as this is admin's domain, and he will do what he want's with it regardless of the discussion of pro's and cons. I don't like that....I think I will leave for good...there are other forums (forii? fora???) where helmets are welcomed! I'm a German on a polish forum - if someone needs a helmet it would be me!

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06	Nov 26, 09, 04:34 / #
Bratwurst Boy: I'm a German on a polish forum Hey, BB don't go anywhere. I like your helmet. It's time to bury the hatchet.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Nov 26, 09, 05:50 / #
Eurola: I like your helmet I like it too...that's the problem! ;)

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06	Nov 26, 09, 05:59 / #
Hey, if you like your helmet it means you like yourself, what's the 'problem'? You like yourself - it's easy to like other people - right? Simple.