BACHELOR'S DEGREE

Michal:

I thought that European degrees were highly thought of in America. Certainly, I have met many American students on Summer language programmes in Poland and their skills are useless. It seems to me that Americans pay high prices for courses and then they gain almost automatic exemtion from credits needed to gain their degrees.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Sep 20, 09, 17:17 / #
I have heard our Ameirrcan Bachelor's Degree translated as licencjat in Poland, however studia licencjackie last only 2-3 years, whereas, the BA or BS is awarded in the US upon compeltion of a four-year college. There is also the associate's agree cofnerred upon completion of a two-year junior college or community college. What's wrong with Stopień Bakałarza?

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Edited by: Michal Sep 20, 09, 21:11 / #
I have never heard of it. I think that a B.A or Bsc is very much the same thing as a Polish Magistr except for the fact that technically the word magistr translates as masters but it is issued after a normal degree programme in Poland so why is it in any way post graduate? Maybe there is no equivalent to an English M.A., which is conferred after one or two years post graduate study in the Polish system? The Poles will always say that their magistr is worth more than an English B.A. but meeting the average Polish student with a magistr it is soon clear that they are not of British post graduate calibre. I think it is true to say that Polish degrees are longer than in the West but there is usually a praitacal year spent 'out', again, which is technically not academic study.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Sep 20, 09, 21:13 / #
magistrat is masters.. both over 4 years worth of work.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Sep 20, 09, 21:14 / #
Not in the UK. 3 years and 4 with Honours. 1 for a Masters FT.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Edited by: plk123 Sep 20, 09, 21:16 / #
what's that mean seanus? i don't have MS in limie.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Sep 20, 09, 21:21 / #
Seanus: he UK. 3 years and 4 with Honours. 1 for a Masters FT. No, a degree course tends to be three years for all degrees except for language degrees when a year is spent overseas in the country concerned. Medical degrees can be six (I think) but then a lot of this is time spent in hospitals on 'on the job training'.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Sep 20, 09, 21:28 / #
What nonsense! What I wrote was fine. Yes, an MBChB takes 6 years. An Honours degree takes 4 years. My Masters took one year FT.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Sep 20, 09, 21:36 / #
Seanus: My Masters took one year FT. on top of how many for the BS?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Sep 20, 09, 21:37 / #
On top of 4 for the Bachelors with Honours, I told you that.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Edited by: plk123 Sep 20, 09, 21:38 / #
and i told you i don't talk limie. thanks tho

asikThreads: 2 Posts: 547 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Sep 21, 09, 02:06 / #
Polonius3: So how would one translate licencjat and studia licencjackie into English? licenjat -bachelor degree, in other words "undergraduate study" and it doesn't matter how long it takes to get a licencjat (bachelor) in different countries magister - master degree, a "postgraduate study" and it's the same situation, it doesn't matter how long it takes to get the degree in different countries

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Sep 21, 09, 12:31 / #
So what would our American (and probably also Canadian - correct me if Im' wrong) associate's degree conferred by 2-year junior colleges be? On a different though related score, why do many Poles think a college is a secondary school rather than a school of higher learning?

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Sep 21, 09, 13:04 / #
plk123: magistrat is masters.. both over 4 years worth of work. a) A magister can be done every other weekend in four years. If you want to do a BA in England part-time, it'll take you at least six years. b) In Poland students study at school for 12 years (age 7 to 19). In the UK students study at school for 12 years (age 4 to 16). But Polish students can go directly to university and do their magister in four or five years (which can be part-time). However, English people need to do two years of sixth form college and then go to university to do their BA (which takes three or four years if it is done full-time). c) Try getting onto a British MA program with just a Polish licencjat: it can't be done. The basic point I'm trying to make is that neither licencjat nor magister can be easily equated to British degrees.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Edited by: PlasticPole Sep 21, 09, 16:54 / #
asik: licenjat -bachelor degree, in other words "undergraduate study" and it doesn't matter how long it takes to get a licencjat (bachelor) in different countries You can take a six week summer class at a community college and get the same credit you would get for an 18 week course in the fall and spring. Summer courses are faster paced because of time constraints, besides that, it's the same class as the longer one. The licencjat is the degree equivalent of the BA bu it takes less time to earn it.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Sep 20, 09, 21:41 / #
Limie? Is that one of the languages offered in Michal's option above? LOL

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Sep 20, 09, 23:01 / #
So how would one translate licencjat and studia licencjackie into English?

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Edited by: plk123 Sep 20, 09, 23:04 / #
BA or BS: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studia_licencjackie

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Sep 21, 09, 16:42 / #
Seanus: On top of 4 for the Bachelors with Honours, I told you that. It is very rare for a standard degree to take four years although some should. I could never understand how a pharmacy degree took only three years when the students had thirty five hours of lectures a week plus writing time to writeup their experiments but four year Russian Language undergraduates had a four year course with only nineteen hours of lectures a week! A masters programme is either one year full time or it is spread over two years.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Sep 21, 09, 16:51 / #
no wonder European degrees are kind of dismissed here in the USA.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Sep 21, 09, 16:55 / #
PlasticPole: You can take a six week summer class at a community college and get the same credit you would get for an 18 week course in the fall and spring. yes but you do more time in class at a time so in the end it's almost the same amount.. i think you do lose about 2 weeks worth of material.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Sep 21, 09, 16:56 / #
Michal: It is very rare for a standard degree to take four years although some should. Not in the UK. Any modern languages degree will include a year spent in a country where that language is spoken. Most engineering courses have a year spent in industry. Industry specific courses (such as hotel management) have a year spent in that industry. BA QTS is four years. BEd is four years.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Sep 21, 09, 17:01 / #
Harry: Not in the UK. Any modern languages degree will include a year spent in a country where that language is spoken. Most engineering courses have a year spent in industry. Industry specific courses (such as hotel management) have a year spent in that industry. BA QTS is four years. BEd is four years. Add on the fact that the traditional Scottish undergraduate degree is also 4 years and is where (I think?) America adopted their 4 year programmes from.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Sep 21, 09, 17:05 / #
plk123: yes but you do more time in class at a time so in the end it's almost the same amount.. i think you do lose about 2 weeks worth of material. I'm not sure about that...how do you know it's two weeks worth of material? Besides, two weeks is a rather insubstantial amount. You aren't going to see the exact same requirements and programs around the world, anyway. The end product is what matters...how well does the recipient of the degree know their major? I have seen people who graduated college but seem clueless about a lot of things. I often think, you have a bachelor's degree?. It blows my mind. A lot of them aren't very prepared.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Sep 21, 09, 17:17 / #
PlasticPole: I'm not sure about that...how do you know it's two weeks worth of material? because i have taken summer classes. PlasticPole: I have seen people who graduated college but seem clueless about a lot of things. I often think, you have a bachelor's degree?. It blows my mind. A lot of them aren't very prepared. collage doesn't teach common sense and i believe there could be more things that should be covered.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Edited by: PlasticPole Sep 21, 09, 17:29 / #
plk123: collage doesn't teach common sense and i believe there could be more things that should be covered. I think the pratical experience helps them the most, much more than the text books. The internships are more valuable in the overall scheme of things, than the classroom.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Sep 21, 09, 17:31 / #
yes and no.. you can't really substitute certain knowledge with just experience..

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Sep 21, 09, 22:26 / #
Michal, that's more like it. A standard BA is 3 years. Masters, 1 year FT or 2 years PT depending on the Masters in question.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Edited by: Michal Sep 22, 09, 17:25 / #
plk123: no wonder European degrees are kind of dismissed here in the USA. I thought that European degrees were highly thought of in America. Certainly, I have met many American students on Summer language programmes in Poland and their skills are useless. It seems to me that Americans pay high prices for courses and then they gain almost automatic exemption from credits needed to gain their degrees.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Sep 22, 09, 17:31 / #
Michal: I thought that European degrees were highly thought of in America. Certainly, I have met many American students on Summer language programmes in Poland and their skills are useless. It seems to me that Americans pay high prices for courses and then they gain almost automatic exemtion from credits needed to gain their degrees. What do you mean by "automatic exemption"? Do you mean when transferring to a university overseas?

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Sep 23, 09, 16:22 / #
PlasticPole: you mean when transferring to a university overseas? No, the other way round. Americans spend their summer holidays n language programmes abroad and the credit points count towards American degrees back home in the States. In England these credit points are a joke.