Postal Complaint - Need translation urgently

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90% of the time that is what they will get (speaking from experience) the hours and shifts are changed weekly. What about people with families and small children etc how do you plan childcare when you do not know what you will be working when your hours change from week to week, and this is progress lmao.

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People like you would probably like to go back to the good ole days of the mill owners.

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The miners brought the tory goverment down and they were after revenge, Scargill was proved 100% right.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Dec 9, 09, 18:48 / #
delphiandomine: The unions are mostly responsible for the mess that it finds itself in. Really? Unions steal post and decide to use dump bags full of post into bins instead of delivering it?

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Dec 9, 09, 18:52 / #
Harry: Really? Unions steal post and decide to use dump bags full of post into bins instead of delivering it? To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a tactic used by them at times. If they're capable of threatening violence, they're surely capable of 'accidentally' losing a few bags of mail. Mind you, the way that Polish unions threaten hunger strikes for the slightest of things is amusing!

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,063 Joined: May 8, 09	Dec 9, 09, 19:16 / #
Harry: Jesus! I just checked http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4700190.stm "stolen mail accounted for just 0.001% of the 22 billion items handled every year. Though Harry does give an exact number, this is what the timesonline says on RM: "Royal Mail defends itself on the basis that it loses only a small fraction of post each year — although it refuses to publish figures on the exact number of letters that go missing. What we do know, however, is that in the past fiscal year the company received almost half a million complaints about lost post (and more than a million complaints in total — about 5,000 every day, on average, far more than any other company in the UK). Given that the vast majority of the public probably do not even realise if their post has gone missing, and of those who do, most do not bother to complain, the scale of the problem is huge. Even if Royal Mail loses only ten letters or parcels for every complaint it receives, which is probably a gross underestimate, that is still more than four million items a year, enough to fill two Olympic-size swimming pools." So where is the truth?

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Dec 9, 09, 19:23 / #
Ziemowit: Though Harry does give an exact number, this is what the timesonline says on RM: Though the BBC does not give an exact number....

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Dec 9, 09, 19:31 / #
delphiandomine: To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a tactic used by them at times lmao. Do you work for the Daily mail by any chance? If not give them a bell they would love you.

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,063 Joined: May 8, 09	Edited by: Ziemowit Dec 9, 09, 20:00 / #
Harry: Though the BBC does not give an exact number.... It does, however. It says it is 0.001% of the 22 billion items handled every year, so you can easily calculate it ... Anyway, here is just another interesting passage from the timesonline article: "In 2004 Postcomm, the industry regulator, estimated that Royal Mail lost or misdirected almost 15 million letters or parcels, enough to fill almost eight Olympic-size swimming pools." I just wonder if you, Harry, or the BBC are able to calculate the volume of letters and parcels handled by the Royal Mail every year in terms of Olympic-size swimming pool units? This seems to be an exciting new unit (an astonishing one, too!) for measuring lost or misdirected mail in the UK, so I just think it fair to compare the size of lost post to the size of total mail in the UK.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Dec 9, 09, 20:01 / #
time means: lmao. Do you work for the Daily mail by any chance? If not give them a bell they would love you. So you believe that the older Royal Mail workers are progressive, liberal people who most definitely wouldn't attempt to emulate the tactics of Scargill? Riiiiight. The Royal Mail and the railway workers are maybe the two last great industries in which the unions still wield considerable power - and it's no surprise that these are the two industries in which unions still hold back reformation and progress. I'm all for trade unions, but on a Scandinavian model rather than the 'we must oppose!' Anglo-French model.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Dec 9, 09, 20:11 / #
How is cutting back contracts to 20 hrs whilst earning 1.3 million a year progress? What do you expect these people to do roll over and take it up the arse. Scargill lmao the bin laden of the right wing media are you sure you are not the DMs poznan reporter.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Dec 9, 09, 20:32 / #
time means: How is cutting back contracts to 20 hrs whilst earning 1.3 million a year progress? It's becoming rapidly the standard in service industries in the UK - mainly because it allows them to use staff more effectively to manage the peaks and troughs of demand. Supermarkets pioneered the approach, I think. What's the point in having everyone on 40 hour contracts if you don't always have work for everyone on 40 hour contracts? Much more effective from a business point of view to have flexible work patterns. As I said - just because they'll be on 20 hour contracts doesn't mean that they'll only work 20 hours. It could be worse - they could easily be on zero hour contracts! time means: What do you expect these people to do roll over and take it up the arse. It's their choice - but they should remeber that UK unions are nowhere near as powerful as their French cousins are. If they continue to strike, then they'll just end up losing their jobs anyway. time means: Scargill lmao the bin laden of the right wing media are you sure you are not the DMs poznan reporter. Scargill is an idiot through and through - what did he achieve with his leadership except losing everyone their jobs? Maybe if he had accepted modernisation, the NUM might not have been led to an epic defeat. Surely the Royal Mail workers would be wise to learn a lesson from history here?

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Dec 9, 09, 20:46 / #
delphiandomine: 20 hour contracts doesn't mean that they'll only work 20 hours 90% of the time that is what they will get (speaking from experience) the hours and shifts are changed weekly. What about people with families and small children etc how do you plan childcare when you do not know what you will be working when your hours change from week to week, and this is progress lmao. delphiandomine: they could easily be on zero hour contracts! People like you would probably like to go back to the good ole days of the mill owners. delphiandomine: his leadership except losing everyone their jobs The miners brought the tory goverment down and they were after revenge, Scargill was proved 100% right.

mateinoneThreads: 10 Posts: 78 Joined: Mar 15, 09	Dec 10, 09, 13:19 / #
Reading all of this I feel blessed. No doubt there must be some stealing going on in all mail services, but never in my life have I had a mail I sent not arrive or something not arrive to me here in Australia. Not only that, but like clockwork. If I send a mail in this state before 6pm it arrives in 2 working days, PP is 24 hours. If I send interstate it is 3-4 days and it has arrived... always. I am not one to brag one country is better than another and there are good and bad things about just about everywhere, but i am glad about the mail here after reading this thread :P

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Dec 9, 09, 21:53 / #
time means: 90% of the time that is what they will get (speaking from experience) the hours and shifts are changed weekly. What about people with families and small children etc how do you plan childcare when you do not know what you will be working when your hours change from week to week, and this is progress lmao. Then they can just lose their jobs and people able to work flexible shift patterns will replace them. Seems fair enough to me - you can't expect an employer to stay in the dark ages just because you don't want the hassle of working flexible hours. Plenty of people already do - why should postal workers be somehow exempt from this? Thing is, I had some sympathy for them - but I fail to have sympathy with nothing more than a bunch of thugs. Threatening temporary staff with violence just for breaking the picket line (of which they had no interest in!) belongs in the 1980's! time means: People like you would probably like to go back to the good ole days of the mill owners. Actually, I'd like to see zero hour contracts banned - and if people are regularly working 40 hour weeks on 20 hour contracts, then the 20 hour contracts should automatically be upgraded to 40 hour ones. UK law is a complete mess on this matter - but people should be using their vote, not their fists. I do find it ironic that many of these postal workers will be dyed-in-the-wool Labour supporters too. time means: The miners brought the tory goverment down and they were after revenge, Scargill was proved 100% right. They hardly brought the Tories down when the Tories survived until 1997! If I remeber correctly, many of the closed down mines were actually profitable and it was much more about breaking the power of unions than about economics. If Scargill hadn't been so militant, perhaps he would still be presiding over an industry that was successfully privatised. But with privatisation comes responsibility - were those miners really about to give up their cushy working conditions in exchange for the success of the mine? Not a chance.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Dec 10, 09, 12:59 / #
delphiandomine: They hardly brought the Tories down when the Tories survived until 1997! If I remeber correctly, many of the closed down mines were actually profitable and it was much more about breaking the power of unions than about economics. You have a short memory. He was talking about the Heath government. Nice of you to agree that Scargill was right. delphiandomine: If Scargill hadn't been so militant, perhaps he would still be presiding over an industry that was successfully privatised. But with privatisation comes responsibility - were those miners really about to give up their cushy working conditions in exchange for the success of the mine? Only a true Daily Mail journalist could possibly describe mining as a cushy job! Give then a call and demand a pay raise!

Cardno85Threads: 33 Posts: 858 Joined: Jul 11, 08 MEMBER	Dec 10, 09, 14:00 / #
I feel quite lucky too. I have never had anything lost by the Royal Mail however quite a few delays and Poczta Polska has always been very quick and efficient when my mum has sent things to me and I have sent things there. It all depends though I suppose. If you had bad experiences with RM and not with PP of course you will think it's great and vice versa...