Need info on my Russianized/Ukrainianized last name.

Polonius3:

For what it's worth, Paszkowski might have emerged as a patronymic nickname indicating Paulie's kid. Paszko is an old Polish hypocoristic form for eitehr Paweł or Pakosław. But it could have also been a toponymic nickname from such places as Paszków, Paszkowice, Paszkówka and others. Paczkowski is a possible variant spelling. There are also localities in Poland such as Paczkowo and Paczków, so Paczkowski could have origianted to indicate the bloke from Paczków.

nobody	Oct 28, 08, 12:38 / #
So my last name is currently spelled Pashkovskiy. I heard in Polish its spelled Paczkowski. I would like any info on my last name. Thank you.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Oct 28, 08, 12:39 / #
nobody: Paczkowski paszkowski

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Oct 28, 08, 13:25 / #
nobody: spelled Pashkovskiy. This may be a dumb question. But did you spell your own name correctly ? I can find plenty Pashkovsky, but no Pashkovskiy It is important, if you want us to do a search.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Oct 28, 08, 13:32 / #
Wroclav I think you should look for Wroclaw: Pashkovsky cause in Russia we spell Polish last names with cyrillic "й" on the end which is in transliteration "-iy". Thus I think you should look for the Polish variant you mentioned first.

nobody	Oct 28, 08, 13:33 / #
Wroclaw: This may be a dumb question. But did you spell your own name correctly ? I can find plenty Pashkovsky, but no Pashkovskiy It is important, if you want us to do a search. oh. Well...uh... sure if that will help. Although the Polish version of it is Paszkowski. If that helps any.

nobody	Oct 28, 08, 14:01 / #
If you look at my last post, I gave a bit more info. So, does anybody have anything for me?

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Oct 28, 08, 14:34 / #
nobody: So, does anybody have anything for me? Hold your horses. this could take a couple of days. I did find a Lena Pashkovskiy in the States. Are you in the States ? It helps, if we know... to be able to trace back records.

nobody	Oct 28, 08, 17:04 / #
Wroclaw: Hold your horses. this could take a couple of days. I did find a Lena Pashkovskiy in the States. Are you in the States ? It helps, if we know... to be able to trace back records. Yea man I'm in the States. And I know that like my whole family traveled from Poland to Western Ukraine and then moved on to a different country like Moldova or something. And use different variants like Paczkowski, Pashkowski, Pashkovsky, etc. And please bookmark this topic :)

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Oct 28, 08, 18:53 / #
For what it's worth, Paszkowski might have emerged as a patronymic nickname indicating Paulie's kid. Paszko is an old Polish hypocoristic form for eitehr Paweł or Pakosław. But it could have also been a toponymic nickname from such places as Paszków, Paszkowice, Paszkówka and others. Paczkowski is a possible variant spelling. There are also localities in Poland such as Paczkowo and Paczków, so Paczkowski could have origianted to indicate the bloke from Paczków.

nobody	Oct 28, 08, 18:56 / #
Polonius3: For what it's worth, Paszkowski might have emerged as a patronymic nickname indicating Paulie's kid. Paszko is an old Polish hypocoristic form for eitehr Paweł or Pakosław. But it could have also been a toponymic nickname from such places as Paszków, Paszkowice, Paszkówka and others. Paczkowski is a possible variant spelling. There are also localities in Poland such as Paczkowo and Paczków, so Paczkowski could have origianted to indicate the bloke from Paczków. I have found a place in southern Poland near the German border thats called Paszkow. I don't know what that is supposed to mean though. More info please.

Ozi DanThreads: 22 Posts: 552 Joined: Nov 22, 07	Nov 2, 08, 04:19 / #
nobody: So does anyone have any new info for me? Stefan Paszkowski - shot with 99 others (Pawiak prisoners) on 2.3.42 in reprisal for the killing of a Volksdeutsch and a kraut police officer.

nobody	Nov 2, 08, 17:27 / #
Ozi Dan: Stefan Paszkowski - shot with 99 others (Pawiak prisoners) on 2.3.42 in reprisal for the killing of a Volksdeutsch and a kraut police officer. Wow man thanks for that bit of info. I must definitely be related to him. But how did you find that info out?

Ozi DanThreads: 22 Posts: 552 Joined: Nov 22, 07	Nov 3, 08, 05:02 / #
nobody: nobody My pleasure - sorry to bring bad news if he was a relative. He was a 'member of a secret organisation' according to the notice posted by Dr Fischer. I have a list of several thousand Polish persons executed in Warsaw from 1939-1944. I started a thread on that but no one seemed interested. If I see a name sometimes I'll go and look it up. Helena Paszkowska (b 15.3.1898) shot in the Pawiak either 20 or 21 June 1940. Reprisal killing.

nobody	Nov 3, 08, 17:31 / #
Ozi Dan: My pleasure - sorry to bring bad news if he was a relative. He was a 'member of a secret organisation' according to the notice posted by Dr Fischer. I have a list of several thousand Polish persons executed in Warsaw from 1939-1944. I started a thread on that but no one seemed interested. If I see a name sometimes I'll go and look it up. Helena Paszkowska (b 15.3.1898) shot in the Pawiak either 20 or 21 June 1940. Reprisal killing. What secret organization was he a member of? And who is this Dr Fischer that you got the info form? And my last question/request: Can you please see like if this guys relatives moved to Ukraine/Moldova?

nobody	Oct 31, 08, 23:02 / #
So does anyone have any new info for me?

nobody	Nov 7, 08, 20:43 / #
So does anybody have any more info for me. Especially about my last post.

Ozi DanThreads: 22 Posts: 552 Joined: Nov 22, 07	Nov 8, 08, 03:45 / #
nobody: So does anybody have any more info for me. Especially about my last post. Dr Fischer was the Nazi governor of Warsaw during WW2. Execution notices were put up and he ratified them. I suspect the organisation was the AK, or Polish Home Army. I dont have info on where these people moved. YOu should read Rising 44 or God's Playground both by Norman Davies. These books are pretty much the authority on Polish history.

nobody	Nov 8, 08, 18:59 / #
Ozi Dan: Dr Fischer was the Nazi governor of Warsaw during WW2. Execution notices were put up and he ratified them. I suspect the organisation was the AK, or Polish Home Army. I dont have info on where these people moved. YOu should read Rising 44 or God's Playground both by Norman Davies. These books are pretty much the authority on Polish history. Can you give me info on the website where Dr Fischers info was posted?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 8, 08, 19:00 / #
Who was the last poster on this thread?

nobody	Nov 8, 08, 23:23 / #
Seanus: Who was the last poster on this thread? Excluding me, the last poster on this thread was Ozi Dan. Why? And more info is appreciated :)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 9, 08, 03:27 / #
Nah, I was in a stupid mood and I was gonna make a joke about nobody. You know, sb says nobody was the last poster, and I'd say that that was impossible as sb had to have posted, LOL. Dumb really but, hey, we all have such moments.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Nov 9, 08, 09:01 / #
It might have originally meant something like Paulville or Paulboro.

nobody	Nov 9, 08, 13:41 / #
Polonius3: It might have originally meant something like Paulville or Paulboro. I don't know about you, but those names don't sound Slavic to me at all :/

moja-droga	Nov 15, 08, 14:02 / #
It could be Paszkowski as well as Paczkowski. go to Poland's Google at google.pl and search for either. You will get lots of hits for both . After WWI , and after the Polish Russian war of 1919 where Poland beat Russia. Poland reclaimed it's ancestral lands which which today is known as Western Ukraine. During this inter-war period (1920 to 1939), millions of Polish people settled into this more newer acquired lands known as the Kresy region. In Sept 1 1939 Germany attacked Poland from the west, and on Sept 17, 1939 Russia attacked Poland from the East and that is how WWII began. So Russia attacked/invaded and occupied Eastern Poland starting on this Sept 17, 1939. And so a lot of paperwork was redone in Russian Cyrillic Alphabet. My family surname was changed in this way. At this time about 2 million Polish civilians were deported to Siberian Gulags to work in the frozen wasteland (why, well they needed slaves as no one else volunteered for the jobs). All people's documents were translated from Polish (English like alphabet characters) too this Cyrillic type letters. Of course a lot of Polish letters have no direct letter in Russian. So after the war, a lot of Polish people escaped via Iran and their Russian Cyrillic papers got transliterated back into English letters. So a surname would go through two transliteration stages . Polish to Russian and then Russian to English. So it is not hard to see that something might be lost allong the way ? ::) Of course in Polish we have Gender associated without surnames. So a man's surname would be Paczkowski abut his wife would be called Paczkowska. Or Paszkowski and the Mrs. as Paszkowska. By there were quite a few people with surname of Paszkowska that escaped Siberia in 1941 and ended up in Persia/Iran. But none of Paczkowski/Paczkowska. Hope this helps a little

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Nov 16, 08, 00:27 / #
moja-droga: My family surname was changed in this way. At this time about 2 million Polish civilians were deported to Siberian Gulags to work in the frozen wasteland (why, well they needed slaves as no one else volunteered for the jobs). All people's documents were translated from Polish (English like alphabet characters) too this Cyrillic type letters. Of course a lot of Polish letters have no direct letter in Russian. Moja Dorogaja, Polish names in Russia are "readone" the same way. If it's Pashkovska it's likely to be "Пашковская" (Pashkovskaja), if it's male gender Pashkovsky then it's likely to be Пашковский (Pashkovskiy). There's no really serious transformation.

moja-droga	Nov 17, 08, 14:36 / #
Sashavskajia, thank you for the clarification. In principal, it seems rather tripe to someone that knows Russian , Polish and or English pretty good. Or a linguist. etc... But for the average normal person they don't get it. However in practice it is not that easy/simple. First of all very few people in the western world know or care about the Cyrillic alphabet, and it's nuances/nuisances. Second , in practice mistakes are made in the Transliteration process. Especially in Russian Government situations where it is not a university Graduate that most often transliterates official documents. It is just some low level clerk. Hence my surname was badly transliterated and it appears wrongly on my Uncle's grave stone in Warszawa. Even though he was Polish 100%, he was forced to join the Russian army during WWII and was killed. His Russian Communists misspelled his surname on the gravestone due to this transliteration...... His army documents were in Russian but his gravestone utilizes the Polish alphabet.

seven	Jan 10, 09, 05:46 / #
Hi there, My surname is Paszkowski and I was always taught that the correct pronunciation was 'Pashkovskiy'. So i'm guessing that your surname in Polish is actually Paszkowski, but in english sounded and spelt Pashkovskiy. My grandfather immigrated after the war, and has always been reluctant to speak about his experience. I know that most his family, including mother and father were executed by gun point and he was a member of a secret organisation. I don't know too much about it but it could possibly be related to the before mentioned people. I do know that when my grandfather first immigrated, he spent some time in America. He has now been in Australia for well over 50 years... hope that was some help