The new Law in acquisation of Polish citizenship in 2009

krakuskabanos:

and seriously, whoever made the "dual nationality" popular is a sicko. this concept absolutely destroys the principle of patriotism. you cannot serve two masters at the same time - never - and that's very basic. what if the countries that you are a national of just decide to start bombing each other and all nationals are required to enlist? what are you going to do? where would your loyalty lie? huh? ask your passports, maybe they can give you an answer. sheesh, JUST CHOOSE ONE FOR PETE'S SAKES!

segan	Sep 20, 09, 12:34 / #
I heard on the TV(TVP) that soon the polish government will soon pass a law that before anybody can apply for polish citizenship irrespective of any situation must pass a polish language test/examination.. i want to know if anyone no when this will be passed to law and when the process will start. i have about a year to apply for my polish citizenship and my polish is terrible..cant speak fluenently... i am just for get the whole processes.. who has a clue..your postings are welcomed

michalekThreads: - Posts: 59 Joined: Jun 14, 09	Sep 20, 09, 12:42 / #
dont worry 'lex retro non agit' :)

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Sep 20, 09, 12:45 / #
Hmm, could it be that the number of Israelis (i.e. Jews) applying for the Polish passports they're entitled to is causing concern to certain people?

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,726 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Sep 20, 09, 13:12 / #
Harry: Hmm, could it be that the number of Israelis (i.e. Jews) applying for the Polish passports they're entitled to is causing concern to certain people? How do you figure that? Bringing in a mandatory basic language skill helps with integration. It is amazing how many foreigners live here who can only order beers in Polish. I think it would be a fair expectancy for all countries. Of course it might be a little tricky with a country like Belgium, which has three official languages but Poland doesn't. I would not expect the language skill to be excellent for the exam but basic. It was depressing how many Poles in London did not have a word of English and could not find work or were abused by Polish employees becuase they were helpless.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Sep 20, 09, 13:49 / #
Harry: Hmm, could it be that the number of Israelis (i.e. Jews) applying for the Polish passports they're entitled to is causing concern to certain people? Yep, definately. It's antisemitism.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Sep 20, 09, 13:57 / #
segan: I heard on the TV(TVP) that soon the polish government will soon pass a law that before anybody can apply for polish citizenship irrespective of any situation must pass a polish language test/examination. Great idea...knowing the difficulties of the polish language it will be a to high hurdle for most to pass...both thumbs up! :) (We should make German much more difficult too...)

segan	Sep 20, 09, 14:03 / #
both thumbs up ? there is still time to work things out! because polish government are always taking time to enforce suggestions to law.. i guess there is time for ammends..both thumbs down for now..

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,604 Joined: Aug 10, 06	Sep 21, 09, 04:22 / #
Oh no! How will Americans now get their Polish citizenship if they don't speak Polish fluently? Poland is discriminating against Americans! They treat Americans like second class citizens, like beggers, like they are worse than Polish citizens!

caprice49Threads: 4 Posts: 288 Joined: Aug 5, 09	Sep 25, 09, 12:01 / #
krysia: How will Americans now get their Polish citizenship if they don't speak Polish fluently Under Polish law, my understanding is that you cannot be a dual national.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Sep 25, 09, 14:03 / #
caprice49: Under Polish law, my understanding is that you cannot be a dual national. You're wrong.

asikThreads: 2 Posts: 547 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Edited by: asik Sep 27, 09, 06:54 / #
delphiandomine: What about in my case, where my nationality isn't the same as my citizenship? (British citizenship, Scottish nationality) In short, because you are the United Great Britain (or: Kingdom of Great Britain) citizen, that's why you're British and nationality depends from what "Great" area/ country you come from - in your case Scottland, in others it may be England etc. delphiandomine: I don't have any allegiance to the UK whatsoever, nor do I have any to the British state - yet because there's nothing such as a seperate Scottish citizenship, I have to carry a British passport until such time that it changes. I know what you mean, but on the other hand (because of the Kingdom) you have such a great opportunity to see the world, the other countries where the Queen is a head, without the hardship others have to get a visa & enter any Queen's other countries (like NZ, AU, CA...)

Perogi	Sep 30, 09, 22:11 / #
Kartala Polonia I don't remember how it was spelled but you can obtain most of the privalages of Polish citizenship whatever they might be? Not Much!!!! by obtaining one. But no dual citizenship!

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Edited by: delphiandomine Sep 25, 09, 15:13 / #
krysia: Oh no! How will Americans now get their Polish citizenship if they don't speak Polish fluently? Poland is discriminating against Americans! They treat Americans like second class citizens, like beggers, like they are worse than Polish citizens! More importantly, how will they force their 85 years old granny to get the Polish passport that she's always wanted just so they can get EU citizenship? It's not a bad idea at all, but I imagine the oh-so-proud Polish American will be howling at this, even though their parents and grandparents couldn't be bothered to teach them the language.

krakuskabanosThreads: 6 Posts: 52 Joined: Sep 23, 09	Edited by: krakuskabanos Sep 26, 09, 23:28 / #
segan: I heard on the TV(TVP) that soon the polish government will soon pass a law that before anybody can apply for polish citizenship irrespective of any situation must pass a polish language test/examination.. i totally agree with this. i mean, my polish is not really good but this is the prerogative of the polish government. you want to be a polish national, you must embrace all of it. common sense - how can you be a polish national if you cant speak polish? so what if you've got a passport? is that all that you've got? i do not have the right to complain if they pass this law - and i will not. stop whingeing like a spoilt kid - get up and get on with your polish lessons! and seriously, whoever made the "dual nationality" popular is a sicko. this concept absolutely destroys the principle of patriotism. you cannot serve two masters at the same time - never - and that's very basic. what if the countries that you are a national of just decide to start bombing each other and all nationals are required to enlist? what are you going to do? where would your loyalty lie? huh? ask your passports, maybe they can give you an answer. sheesh, JUST CHOOSE ONE FOR PETE'S SAKES! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wow, how can this ever be? the superpower country being bullied by poland? for real? [quote=krysia]Oh no! How will Americans now get their Polish citizenship if they don't speak Polish fluently? Poland is discriminating against Americans! They treat Americans like second class citizens, like beggers, like they are worse than Polish citizens!

krakuskabanosThreads: 6 Posts: 52 Joined: Sep 23, 09	Sep 26, 09, 23:44 / #
[quote=krysia]Oh no! How will Americans now get their Polish citizenship if they don't speak Polish fluently? Poland is discriminating against Americans! They treat Americans like second class citizens, like beggers, like they are worse than Polish citizens! wow, how can this ever be? the superpower country being bullied by poland? for real?

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 [Suspended]	Sep 27, 09, 02:08 / #
krakuskabanos: and seriously, whoever made the "dual nationality" popular is a sicko. this concept absolutely destroys the principle of patriotism. you cannot serve two masters at the same time - never - and that's very basic. what if the countries that you are a national of just decide to start bombing each other and all nationals are required to enlist? what are you going to do? where would your loyalty lie? huh? ask your passports, maybe they can give you an answer. sheesh, JUST CHOOSE ONE FOR PETE'S SAKES! What about in my case, where my nationality isn't the same as my citizenship? (British citizenship, Scottish nationality) I don't have any allegiance to the UK whatsoever, nor do I have any to the British state - yet because there's nothing such as a seperate Scottish citizenship, I have to carry a British passport until such time that it changes.

asikThreads: 2 Posts: 547 Joined: Feb 17, 09	Edited by: asik Sep 27, 09, 06:30 / #
caprice49: Under Polish law, my understanding is that you cannot be a dual national. Yes . You're right! What it actually means: when you are Polish citizen and additionaly hold any other country citizenship, you cannot and should not enter Poland as different citizen, other than Polish. While crossing Poland's border and if they (the border security) find out that you are Polish and showing other country passport, you can be stopped and redirected back to where you came from. It already happened to many people. Just have a look at Polish embassy/consular in your country and have a look & read all the details. Some Polish are risking (some people know, some don't) their holiday and go to Poland holding passport of the country where they currently live. That's how it works. On the other hand, you cannot automatically loose your Polish citizenship unless you apply in person to a Polish President and he accepts your application with payment (it used to be 1000 zlotych few years ago). To add: the above stated regulation is directed to all the people holding Polish citizenship - not Americans only!