Polish and Mongolian

It is estimated that about 3000 Tatars live in present-day Poland, of which about 500 declared Tatar (rather than Polish) nationality in the 2002 census. There are two Tatar villages (Bohoniki and Kruszyniany) in the north-east of present-day Poland, as well as urban Tatar communities in Warsaw, Gdańsk, Białystok, and Gorzow Wielkopolski. Tatars in Poland sometimes have a Muslim surname with a Polish ending: Ryzwanowicz, Jakubowicz.

MommyTek	Sep 21, 06, 22:40 / #
Is there anyone with a Polish Mongolian background?

Tlum	Sep 21, 06, 22:45 / #
Do you mean Tatar? I THINK I've read something about it on this forum -- actually you may check this thread.

JessM	Jan 15, 07, 11:12 / #
I think my family has that. The name is Neziol. Turns out my Babci's parents are from Northern Poland...and may have some Mongolian back ground. Do you know anything further about this? I am trying to learn more.

marek_USA	Jan 15, 07, 11:43 / #
I think there is bit of people like that in Poland.........one of my friends said that a Polish footballer name Miroslaw Szymkowiak is part Mongolian, but I am not sure........maybe he just looks part Mongolian.........anyways, cheers , hopefully hte other thread helps.......

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1,345 Joined: Sep 14, 06	Jan 15, 07, 13:22 / #
Quoting: Tlum, Post #2 Do you mean Tatar? Tatar and Mongolian are not the same, are they ?

Maxxx PayneThreads: 2 Posts: 283 Joined: Oct 11, 06	Jan 17, 07, 13:36 / #
Quoting: Bartolome, Post #5 Quoting: Tlum, Post #2 Do you mean Tatar? Tatar and Mongolian are not the same, are they ? They are both Altaic people, related to Turkish, Koreans etc. languagewise.

Crazy Horse RV	Jan 17, 07, 13:43 / #
I have two friends who I grew up with who have very prominante asiatic features. Namely somewhat sklanted eyes. As teenagers we all had nick-names. One was nick-named "Jap", the other was nick-named "Chink." They're parents were both Polish. I can only assume that they had some Tartar blood in their family from many centuries ago. I should add that we did not call them these names in a derogatory way. They were merely nick-names, and were in no way meant to be hurtful. In fact 45 years later we still refer to each other using these names. No one's feelings are hurt.

globocnik	Jan 21, 07, 06:54 / #
there is a remnant of the golden horde- the mongol invasions- in eastern poland. they are known as tartars and muslim. also in lithuania , rumania, and bulgaria are tartar communities, scatered remnats of the mongol yoke. in iran and afganistan there are also hazaras, the descendants of the mongols.

NarkommandantThreads: 2 Posts: 47 Joined: Dec 13, 06	Jan 21, 07, 22:25 / #
So this must be why the Hazara people have Asian features....

hulganaThreads: - Posts: 1 Joined: Oct 5, 07	Oct 5, 07, 12:04 / #
hi i am mongolian

PolsonThreads: 15 Posts: 2,812 Joined: May 9, 07	Oct 5, 07, 12:05 / #
Hei and welcome here hulgana ;)

MadziaThreads: 1 Posts: 2 Joined: Oct 6, 07	Oct 6, 07, 01:59 / #
This is really interesting to know. My best friend and her mother both often get confused for being part asian or native. My father also has an asiany kind of look to his eyes...When he was clean shaven I used to call him "Chinese Warlord." Could my best friend and my father's features been caused from mixing with the Monols when they invaded?

myatska	Mar 7, 08, 22:47 / #
My grandfather's parents were both from Poland.My grandmother has alot of Native American in her and has American Indian hair(very course,very thick,almost jet black,very straight)My grandfather had naturally light brown skin when he was young.The older he got the darker he got.He did like to go to the beach.But did not go often.Maybe once or twice a year.She told me he had very course hair also.I never felt it,so I didn't know.But, it was black.He did not look like an anglo white man at all.

elnina999Threads: - Posts: 19 Joined: Mar 6, 08	Edited by: elnina999 Mar 30, 08, 03:28 / #
Hmmmmmmm... Guest, Tatras are not Tatars... sorry - same letters but not in same order:)lol I am Polish with Tatar background. My ancestors from my father site are from Crimean Golden Horde. re: "Myatska": Who said that all Polish people must have blond hair and blue eyes????? Also there could be some ethnic mix in the past. Or Gypsys or Jews...:)

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Edited by: Grzegorz_ Mar 30, 08, 04:00 / #
Tatar...

elnina999Threads: - Posts: 19 Joined: Mar 6, 08	Mar 30, 08, 04:44 / #
Yep! And taste yummy!!!

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Mar 30, 08, 05:26 / #
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars It is estimated that about 3000 Tatars live in present-day Poland, of which about 500 declared Tatar (rather than Polish) nationality in the 2002 census. There are two Tatar villages (Bohoniki and Kruszyniany) in the north-east of present-day Poland, as well as urban Tatar communities in Warsaw, Gdańsk, Białystok, and Gorzow Wielkopolski. Tatars in Poland sometimes have a Muslim surname with a Polish ending: Ryzwanowicz, Jakubowicz.

Ozi DanThreads: 22 Posts: 552 Joined: Nov 22, 07	Mar 30, 08, 06:38 / #
My ancestors were tatars from several centuries ago. Lukasz, are these pure blooded tatars, or mixed? Are tatars in Poland viewed as a curiosity or as normal everyday people?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 30, 08, 06:46 / #
My friend's girlfriend is a Tatar. I was having a few beers on Fri with my Polish friend and he asked me where my friend's girl was from. I said Poland and he was taken aback. He thought she was Mongolian or of another Asian denomination. I must say, she doesn't have typically Polish features, her mouth is a dead give away.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Mar 30, 08, 07:02 / #
Ozi Dan wrote: My ancestors were tatars from several centuries ago. Lukasz, are these pure blooded tatars, or mixed? Are tatars in Poland viewed as a curiosity or as normal everyday people? In our history books there is a lot of articles about Tatars so people know there were tatars in Poland. In north east Poland people know that they are, in other parts of Poland it is well known fact in better educated part of society. It is tinny miniority with very long history ( 600 years). After this time most of them consider themselves Polish only 17% have different opinion. They have been always considered equal citiznens in the past, and they have good opinion in Polish society. They are muslims but they don't have anything to do with extremists. In the past they were fighting mostly against Turks (muslims) ... so they got privilages (some had nobility) and are positive characters in our history.

Ozi DanThreads: 22 Posts: 552 Joined: Nov 22, 07	Mar 30, 08, 07:05 / #
Seanus wrote: My friend's girlfriend is a Tatar Fascinating - is your missus able to trace her ancestry? Is she full or mixed?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 30, 08, 07:08 / #
My missus is Slązaczką, it was my friend's missus. I can ask him

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Mar 30, 08, 07:14 / #
For you Ozi Dan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipka_Tatars

Ozi DanThreads: 22 Posts: 552 Joined: Nov 22, 07	Mar 30, 08, 07:18 / #
Seanus wrote: it was my friend's missus Sorry mate - I misread it. Ask her if she has a coat of arms (please), as I'd like to compare mine with hers. I can't find mine in any Polish heraldry literature and I'm wondering if Poles of tatar origin had different ones. Lukasz, you're the sage of the forum - any ideas mate?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Mar 30, 08, 07:20 / #
No problem at all, nie ma za co. I think she might be touchy about he Tatar status but I'll see

Ozi DanThreads: 22 Posts: 552 Joined: Nov 22, 07	Mar 30, 08, 07:22 / #
Thanks Lukasz. Thanks Seanus. Look forward to your replies.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Mar 30, 08, 07:31 / #
<div class="quoting">Ozi Dan wrote: I can't find mine in any Polish heraldry literature and I'm wondering if Poles of tatar origin had different ones. </div> I think you can do some researches in Lithuanian heraldry literature, Tatars were mostly in this part of Commonwealth. (this time borders were different so now Tatars are noticable in north east Poland, Lithuania, Bielarus about 10,000-15,000 Lipka Tatars in this countries...) There is book in Polish Stanisław Dumin "HERBARZ RODZIN TATARSKICH" about Tatars heraldy , I havent read it but I think all answers are there. szlachta.org/selim2.htm (this two are Polish Tatars ) if you want you can send me your Coat of Arms. I can check your origin.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Mar 30, 08, 07:50 / #
There only few thousand of real Tatars in Poland but plenty of mixes...

Ozi DanThreads: 22 Posts: 552 Joined: Nov 22, 07	Mar 30, 08, 18:58 / #
Lukasz wrote: if you want you can send me your Coat of Arms. I can check your origin. Thanks Lukasz. I'm not sure how to send a picture or drawing, but I'll describe it, from top to bottom: 1. a vertical outstreched feathered wing (there is an arrow pointing horizontally piercing the wing, like so "--", with the point facing left), with the tip of the wing at the top of the crest and where the wing would join to the body is at the bottom, where it joins on to a crown. 2. The crown sits normally and on the bottom, where it would sit on your head, it joins onto a shield. Some versions have a full faced knights helmet rather than a crown. 3 inside the shield (like you see some that have heraldry painted on them) there is a horseshoe with the two end bits facing vertically down and the round circumference of the U bit facing up. Just flip the "U" here upside down is the best description. 4 Diagonally crossed behind the horseshoe are two arrows, with points facing upwards, like so "X". Hope you can help. Thanks again Lukasz! I couldnt download that link either.

DaveyThreads: 17 Posts: 436 Joined: Jun 29, 07	Mar 30, 08, 20:20 / #
This page might help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars#Polish_Tatars