what is the difference between prosze and poprosze?

Quoting: Marek

Dannyboy!
Don't wish to appear rude, but the borsht (sorry, proper Polish "barszczt..")-belt humor is rather out of place, plus, your remarks essentially teach us nothing.

Guess I seem the proverbial sour-pickle puss, but, the last part particularly rubbed me the wrong way.

Marek

portaThreads: 24 Posts: 354 Joined: Jul 16, 07	Edited by: porta Jul 19, 07, 13:51 / #
As the topic says. Also i'd like to ask: Is Słucham short for co słuchac?

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 19, 07, 15:05 / #
No, slucham is the present form for the first person ja slucham from the imperfective dictionary form therefore I am listening from the verb to listen

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 19, 07, 15:07 / #
same with prosze I am requesting something now and poprosze I will request-this is the future perfective case

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 19, 07, 15:11 / #
ja slucham, ty sluchasz, my sluchamy, wy sluchacie, on/ona/ono slucha, oni /one sluchaja i tak dalej

slwkkThreads: 3 Posts: 249 Joined: Mar 31, 07	Jul 19, 07, 15:33 / #
Quoting: Michal same with prosze I am requesting something now and poprosze I will request-this is the future perfective case but prosze and poprosze could have the same meaning, for example in a shop when we are asking for some products: Prosze/Poprosze chleb, ser i wode mineralna.

portaThreads: 24 Posts: 354 Joined: Jul 16, 07	Jul 19, 07, 15:44 / #
Dziekuje bardzo! That was very informative :thumbs up: But ,prosze, niegazowana woda mineralna ;)

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 19, 07, 15:48 / #
Quoting: slwkk but prosze and poprosze could have the same meaning, for example in a shop when we are asking for some products: IS THAT NOT WHAT i HAVE JUST SAID?

slwkkThreads: 3 Posts: 249 Joined: Mar 31, 07	Jul 19, 07, 17:27 / #
Quoting: Michal IS THAT NOT WHAT i HAVE JUST SAID? You said that poprosze is about future: Quoting: Michal same with prosze I am requesting something now and poprosze I will request-this is the future perfective case and that's not quite right, because sometimes 'poprosze' is used in present tense.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 20, 07, 08:10 / #
Yes it is used now asking for something in the near future as I think you said, using examples in a restaurant. Czy ja moge poprosic cos, na przyklad. However, to differentiate prosic and poprosic it has to be done somehow.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 20, 07, 08:11 / #
technically speaking, czy ja moge cos poprosic is not a present tense.

MarekThreads: 4 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Edited by: Marek Jul 21, 07, 14:00 / #
"Prosic"/"poprosic" is sort of like "rozumiec" (to understand) vs. "zrozumiec". The latter form is perfective, the former, imperfective. When, for example, we say "Prosze!" or better still "Prosze o cos!", e.g. to the server in a restaurant, it means something we do all the time, namely, requesting something. The sentence though beginning "Czy moge uprzejmie poprosic, gdy.. (not: "prosic")....." would mean that the request is just this one specific time, not general, i.e. imperfective. Same with: "Czy rozumiesz po polsku?" = Do you (in general) understand Polish? vs. "Czy zrozumiesz moje pytanie?" = Do you (right now) understand my question? Marek

MarekThreads: 4 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Jul 22, 07, 16:00 / #
Michal, ......Neither would I (and never have), as I said, only "Prosze o chleb, piwo.itd..." Marek

MarekThreads: 4 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Jul 23, 07, 06:45 / #
Nie wiem, Michalku. Prosze mi powiedziec! -:) Marek

MarekThreads: 4 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Jul 23, 07, 09:32 / #
? Then perhaps I, silly Yank that I am, failed to understand the answer. Did you in fact have time to assimilate the information in my initial post on this query? Marek

slwkkThreads: 3 Posts: 249 Joined: Mar 31, 07	Edited by: slwkk Jul 20, 07, 08:24 / #
Quoting: Michal technically speaking, czy ja moge cos poprosic is not a present tense. your sentence in the future tense: Czy ja będę mógł coś poprosić? and if I'm asking 'czy ja mogę coś poprosić' that is going on now (I'm asking now) and it's the present tense.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 21, 07, 15:16 / #
I think that we are simply making 'heavy weather' of something here! I will never go in to a restaurant and poprosic something nigdy!

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 22, 07, 18:00 / #
Where do I come in to this conversation?

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 23, 07, 09:23 / #
I have already answered you.

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 23, 07, 09:36 / #
As far as I can see the question was 'is slucham' short for sluchac'? This has already been gone over and over again. Maybe I am the silly Brit?

MarekThreads: 4 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Jul 23, 07, 09:39 / #
Yes, but the title of the original post was "What is the difference between prosze and poprosze?", which is what I attempted to elucidate! Apologies for the confusion. Marek

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 23, 07, 09:42 / #
I answered the question about slucham and sluchac. Prosic and poprosic is really a completely different question and a different word.

MarekThreads: 4 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Jul 23, 07, 10:17 / #
Then the title of the post is misleading! Marek

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Jul 23, 07, 10:29 / #
Hi, think of it as the difference between how the queen would speak and you would speak you would say, I would like x,y,z (prosze) the queen would say, one would like x,y,z (poprosze) you would say, go fck yourself the queen would say, would one go fck one's self hitler would say, f*cken sie bitte

MarekThreads: 4 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Jul 23, 07, 10:59 / #
Dannyboy! Don't wish to appear rude, but the borsht (sorry, proper Polish "barszczt..")-belt humor is rather out of place, plus, your remarks essentially teach us nothing. Guess I seem the proverbial sour-pickle puss, but, the last part particularly rubbed me the wrong way. Marek

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 23, 07, 11:37 / #
Quoting: dannyboy ou would say, go fck yourself the queen would say, would one go fck one's self hitler would say, f*cken sie bitte I can see that you are obviously a fully qualified CELTA man!

dannyboyThreads: 24 Posts: 298 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Jul 23, 07, 19:33 / #
Quoting: Marek Dannyboy! Don't wish to appear rude, but the borsht (sorry, proper Polish "barszczt..")-belt humor is rather out of place, plus, your remarks essentially teach us nothing. Guess I seem the proverbial sour-pickle puss, but, the last part particularly rubbed me the wrong way. Marek Marek, I strongly disagree, but your entitled to your opinion and I take note. I was demonstrating the use of first person and third person, or snobbery as some people like to call it ;-) , (I would, One would) in what I considered to be a humorous manner. This construction doesn't really exist in Polish from what I've been taught. I'm sorry you didn't find it humorous, I'm going off for a good cry now!

portaThreads: 24 Posts: 354 Joined: Jul 16, 07	Jul 23, 07, 19:46 / #
Quoting: porta As the topic says. Also i'd like to ask: Is Słucham short for co słuchac? Title of topic is not misleading. I asked for the difference between prosze and poprosze in the title and added in the topic "As the topic says.". Then i go on to say "Also i'd like to ask:Is Słucham short for co słuchac?" The "Also" implies the start of another question. :)

MarekThreads: 4 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Jul 24, 07, 07:03 / #
"Sluchac" is merely the infinitive form, "slucham" is the first person singular for "I'm listening."or "I listen", since in English we represent changes in time through tenses, Polish, through aspects. "Slucham!" is also a way to answer the phone in Polish, meaning "I'm hearing/listening to/you.." Marek

MarekThreads: 4 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Jul 24, 07, 07:05 / #
Dannyboy, Indeed it was "humorous", in a purely sophomoric way. -:) Marek

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jul 24, 07, 08:30 / #
Quoting: Marek Sluchac" is merely the infinitive form, "slucham" is the first person singular for "I'm listening."or "I listen", sin I thought that somewhere above I had already explained all this.