Kaszubian and Polish

Òjcze nasz, jaczi jes w niebie,
niech sã swiãcy Twòje miono,
niech przińdze Twòje królestwò,
niech mdze Twòja wòlô
jakno w niebie tak téż na zemi.
Chleba najégò pòwszednégò dôj nóm dzysô
i òdpùscë nóm naje winë,
jak i më òdpùszcziwómë naszim winowajcóm.
A nie dopùscë na nas pòkùszeniô,
ale nas zbawi òde złégò. Amen

Otče náš, ktorý si na nebesiach,
posvät’ sa meno tvoje.
Príd’ král'ovstvo tvoje.
Bud’ vôl'a tvoja
ako v nebi tak i na zemi.
Chlieb náš každodenný daj nám dnes.
A odpust’ nám naše viny,
ako aj my odpúšt’ame svojim vinníkom.
A neuved’ nás do pokušenia,
ale zbav nás zlého. Amen.

polamThreads: 6 Posts: 13 Joined: Jan 26, 09	Feb 2, 09, 08:58 / #
I understand that there is some question as to whether Kaszubian is a language unto itself or a dialect of Polish. I am curious of the forum members' thoughts on that.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Feb 2, 09, 09:06 / #
No its not dialect of polish its different west slavic language. Its easier to understand slovak than kashubian imo. Language family: Indo-European Balto-Slavic Slavic West Slavic Lechitic Pomeranian Kashubian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashubian_language

DaveyThreads: 17 Posts: 436 Joined: Jun 29, 07	Feb 3, 09, 15:19 / #
Would you say written Kashubian is a lot easier for Poles to understand than Slovak or vise-versa?

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Feb 3, 09, 17:09 / #
JUDGE FOR YOURSELF: Òjcze nasz, jaczi jes w niebie, niech sã swiãcy Twòje miono, niech przińdze Twòje królestwò, niech mdze Twòja wòlô jakno w niebie tak téż na zemi. Chleba najégò pòwszednégò dôj nóm dzysô i òdpùscë nóm naje winë, jak i më òdpùszcziwómë naszim winowajcóm. A nie dopùscë na nas pòkùszeniô, ale nas zbawi òde złégò. Amen Otče náš, ktorý si na nebesiach, posvät’ sa meno tvoje. Príd’ král'ovstvo tvoje. Bud’ vôl'a tvoja ako v nebi tak i na zemi. Chlieb náš každodenný daj nám dnes. A odpust’ nám naše viny, ako aj my odpúšt’ame svojim vinníkom. A neuved’ nás do pokušenia, ale zbav nás zlého. Amen.

DaveyThreads: 17 Posts: 436 Joined: Jun 29, 07	Feb 3, 09, 17:18 / #
Kashubian it is I guess then

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Feb 3, 09, 17:19 / #
polam: Kaszubian is a language unto itself or a dialect of Polish. Different language.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Feb 3, 09, 17:24 / #
Davey: Kashubian it is I guess then Òjcze nasz, jaczi jes w niebie, niech sã swiãcy Twòje miono, niech przińdze Twòje królestwò, niech mdze Twòja wòlô jakno w niebie tak téż na zemi. Chleba najégò pòwszednégò dôj nóm dzysô i òdpùscë nóm naje winë, jak i më òdpùszcziwómë naszim winowajcóm. A nie dopùscë na nas pòkùszeniô, ale nas zbawi òde złégò. Amen this is kashubian /\ thisv is slovak V Otče náš, ktorý si na nebesiach, posvät’ sa meno tvoje. Príd’ král'ovstvo tvoje. Bud’ vôl'a tvoja ako v nebi tak i na zemi. Chlieb náš každodenný daj nám dnes. A odpust’ nám naše viny, ako aj my odpúšt’ame svojim vinníkom. A neuved’ nás do pokušenia, ale zbav nás zlého. Amen. try to understand this: Kaszëbizna czãstô je wëmieniownô zwónô pòmòrsczim jãzëkã, chòc de facto je òna le karnã słëchających do niegò dialektów. Bëtnosc wielu mionów na òpisanié jednégò jãzëka a téż jidentifikacëjô całownégò jãzëka z jegò nômòcnészim dialektã mô czasã môl w przëmiôrze mniészoscowëch jãzëków, jaczé sã mòcno zjinaczoné ë jaczé na skùtk nieżëcznëch, pòliticznëch dzejników nie bëłë w sztądzë ùsôdzëc òglowégò, sztandardowégò jãzëka ë dobéc mòcny lëżnoscë w państwie, w jaczim są brëkòwóné. Juwernô stojizna jakno w pòmòrsczim jãzëkù ma môl np. w òkcytańsczim ë dolnomiemieczim jãzëkù. Òkcytańsczi czãstô biwô zwóny prowansalsczim jãzëkã, chò dialektë prowansalsczé są blos dzélã òkcytańsczégò, leno mają nômòcnészi lëteracczi zwëk. Dolnomiemiecczi (Nederdüütsch, Plattdüütsch) je czãstô zeszlachòwóny z jegò dolnosaksońsczim dialektã (Nedersassisch, Low Saxon), ga mô òn wiele mòcniészi môl òd resztë. Pò wëmiarcém słowianiznë a téż wszëtczéch jinëch pòmòrsczich dialektów, króm kaszëbiznë w przerównaniém do jãzëka Pòmòrzanów dzysô nôczãsczi je brëkòwóny termin "kaszëbsczi jãzëk". Rodowizna mionów "Kaszëbi" ë "kaszëbsczi" a téż ôrt, na jaczi òne przëszłë òb stalata z òkrãżégò Kòszalëna na Pòrénkòwi Pòmòrskô są wcyg wëzgôdką dlô ùczałich. Niżódnô z dotëchczasnych teòrëjów nie pòtkała sã z òglowym akceptã. Nie mô równak dokôzów na to, żebë doszło do wanogów Pòmòrzanów z òkrãżégò Kòszalëna w pòrénkòwim czérënkù.

DaveyThreads: 17 Posts: 436 Joined: Jun 29, 07	Feb 3, 09, 17:27 / #
McCoy: try to understand this: Lol I can barely understand Polish as it is, I just chose Kashubian because it resembles Polish more

polamThreads: 6 Posts: 13 Joined: Jan 26, 09	Feb 3, 09, 17:48 / #
Davey: Lol I can barely understand Polish as it is, I just chose Kashubian because it resembles Polish more LOL!!! I'm with you, Davey. I can tell the difference and can tell that Kashubian is closer to Polish than Slovak is, but I can't read any of them with any real competence. It seems, then, that Kashubian is a different language, albeit closely related to Polish (and moreso than Slovak). Thank you all for your input. This is very interesting to me.

PrinceThreads: 26 Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 4, 08	Edited by: Prince Feb 4, 09, 05:39 / #
"There are other traditional Slavic ethnic groups inhabiting Pomerania, such as the Kociewiacy, Borowiacy, Krajniacy and others. These dialects tend to fall between Kashubian and the Polish dialects of Greater Poland and Mazovia. This might indicate that they are not only descendants of ancient Pomeranians, but also of settlers who arrived to Pomerania from Greater Poland and Masovia in the Middle Ages." From Poznań and Warszawa point of view Kashubian dialect is more similar to Greter Polish or Mazovian dilalects but much a little bit more different than in Lesser Poland (Kraków). To be honest I find many similarities between Greater Poland nad Kashubia. The other fact is that local dialect disapear in most Polish regions. Kashubians have their identity, some work hard to save local customs and it is good.

Marco78Threads: 2 Posts: 16 Joined: Feb 11, 09	Feb 18, 09, 23:31 / #
are there any conflicts between kashubians and other Poles? or some funny stereotypes? -------------- for example swedes make fun of sami-people (northern people with their own language) becos of their rude way of talking and their way of living and dressing.. and there are some diffrences between the two groups... even conflicts sometimes when the samis want to hunt animals which are secured by laws, and young sami poeple and young averege swedes in the north of sweden dont like each other so much.. --------------------- anything of this between kashubians and other poles? or just stereoptypes? / curious