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Pan/Pani...usage changes for case distiction?



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How does pan/pani change when used as part of instrumental, accusative or genitive sentences?
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Pan Adam Burczak...

If the nominative name is "Pan Adam Burczak" how would it change in instrumental, accusative and genitive case?

Do names ever take instrumental case?

How would the nominative names "Pan Marcin Kowalski, Pani Elżbieta Nowak and Pani Malgosia Kowalska" change in instrumental, accusative and genitive case?
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Nominative (mianownik) (kto? Co?) (kto?) Pan Adam Burczak, Pan Marcin Kowalski, Pani Elżbieta Nowak, Pani Małgosia Kowalska

Genitive (dopełniacz) (kogo? Czego?) (kogo?) Pana Adama Burczaka, Pana Marcina Kowalskiego, Pani Elżbiety Nowak, Pani Małgosi Kowalskiej

Dative (celownik) (komu ?czemu?) (komu?) Panu Adamowi Burczakowi, Panu Marcinowi Kowalskiemu, Pani Elżbiecie Nowak, Pani Małgosi Kowalskiej

Accusative (biernik) (kogo? Czego?) (kogo?) Pana Adama Burczaka, Pana Marcina Kowalskiego, Pani Elżbiety Nowak, Pani Małgosi Kowalskiej

Instrumental (narzędnik) (z kim? z czym?) (z kim?) z Panem Adamem Burczakiem, z Panem Marcinem Kowalskim, z Panią Elżbietą Nowak, z Panią Małgosią Kowaską

Locative (miejscownik) (o kim? o czym?) (okim?) o Panu Adamie Burczaku, o Panu Marcinie Kowalskim, o Pani Elżbiecie Nowak, o Pani Małgosi Kowalskiej

Vocative (wołacz) (o!) o! Pan Adam Burczak, o! Pan Marcin Kowalski, o! Pani Elżbieta Nowak, o! Pani Małgosia Kowalska
pomorzanin   Jan 28, 09, 09:48 /  #
It will be like this:

Genitive:
Pana Adama Burczaka
Pana Marcina Kowalskiego
Pani Elżbiety Nowak
Pani Małgosi (Małgorzaty) Kowalskiej

Accusative:
Pana Adama Burczaka
Pana Marcina Kowalskiego
Panią Elżbietę Nowak
Panią Małgosię (Małgorzatę) Kowalską

Instrumental:
Panem Adamem Burczakiem
Panem Marcinem Kowalskim
Panią Elżbietą Nowak
Panią Małgosią (Małgorzatą) Kowalską
PiorunThreads: -
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Correction pomorzanin is right in Accusative: it should be Panią Elżbietę Nowak
Panią Małgosię Kowalską. I guess that’s why I’m not a teacher.
ArcticPaulThreads: 49
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Excellent Piorun & pomorzanin.
Thanks a million.

I'm just at the Genitive Singulat stage of things so Dative, Locative and Vocative are not necessary yet but I'm intrigued.

When are INSTRUMENTAL, ACCUSATIVE and GENITIVE the appropriate case to use?
osiolThreads: 59
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Joined: Jul 25, 07 		Edited by: osiol   Jan 28, 09, 12:27 /  #
I am editing in these first two sentences after posting the rest of it. Wait for a professional because I may have omitted some important information or even made one or two mistakes.

ArcticPaul:
INSTRUMENTAL

jestem, jesteś, jest, są...
pod, nad (under, over - not so common when talking about persons)
z (with - quite a common one this, I reckon)

ArcticPaul:
GENITIVE

Often used with negation, but also with some verbs where one might expect accusitive.
Bez... (without...)
Nie ma... (This isn't...)
Szukać... (to look for...)

ArcticPaul:
ACCUSATIVE

I don't know. Fall back on this one if the thing or person is the subject of the sentence.
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