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Proszę Pani / Proszę Panią



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Can someone please tell me the difference between Proszę Pani / Proszę Panią (obviously it's different grammatical cases, but I'm thinking of the meaning and when to use what). Thanks in advance! :)
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SzwedwPolsce:
Proszę Pani

excuse me, madam, or 'miss!' when talking to a teacher at school

SzwedwPolsce:
Proszę Panią

i am asking/begging you, madam

so basically the first one is to get a woman's attention, the second one to ask a woman about something
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Saying Proszę Pani is the correct form, unfortunatelly U can hear it quite often as people often don't care;( Did it help?:)
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JustysiaS:
so basically the first one is to get a woman's attention, the second one to ask a woman about something

Could you please tell us about the rules for Pan, Pana and Panu?
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proszę panią is gramatically correct. but like i just said, proszę pani is what you use to call a woman and get her attention.

Vincent:
Could you please tell us about the rules for Pan, Pana and Panu?

what rules lol? to get a man's attention you say Proszę Pana. or if you wanna be rude, shout 'E, Panie!!' lol...
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The form Proszę Pani is used when U want to gain attetion or ask about something ( children at school say it to their teacher, for example) the other form is incorrect, but as I wrote it is unfortunatelly commonly used;( by Polish people.
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The rules Pan, Pana,  Panu are based upon noun declination, similarly to Pani/Panią.
If we ask who?( meaning: Who is that man over there?)  then we use:   It is Pan Kowalski (To jest Pan Kowalski). If we ask Whom? or What? ( meaning:  Whom do  you like? ) Then we say: I like Pana Kowalskiego (Lubię Pana Kowalskiego) If we ask: about whom? then we use the form Panu ( meaning:  Whom is the story about?) Then we use: It is the story about Panu Kowalskim ( To jest historia o Panu Kowalskim)

 Ps. Proszę Panią is totally INCORRECT which is often heard in a shop: Proszę Panią a kilo of apples please, it should be Proszę Pani a kilo of apples please!
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loolee:
The rules Pan, Pana, Panu are based upon noun declination, similarly to Pani/Panią.

Thanks loolee,, it always confuses me:) I have also heard dzień dobry Panu and dzień dobry Panie Janku
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Yes and these are both correct, generally we use the form Pani/Panią/ Panu/Pan if we want to be polite (usually the person is older, we want to express our respect, or the relation is more formal) The second case is similar, but we are adding person's name (it is a bit less formal then)
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loolee:
Proszę Panią is totally INCORRECT which is often heard in a shop: Proszę Panią a kilo of apples please, it should be Proszę Pani a kilo of apples please!

in this context it is not correct, but it is gramatically correct.

proszę panią tutaj do mnie
proszę panią o minutę rozmowy

perfectly correct
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It all depends on what the object is. I often hear proszę panią but it's not the soundest grammar out there.
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Vincent:
I have also heard dzień dobry Panu and dzień dobry Panie Janku

dzień dobry Panu ; panu = dative (to you) literally: "good day to you

dzieę dobry Panie Janku = vocative (calling someone by name) literally "good day, (Mr) John!"
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dzień dobry Panu - is one bit you cannot put a comma inbetween - you can translate it as good morning to you sir

dzień dobry, Panie Janku - coma makes sense here - this one translates good morning Mr John (sort of)
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Thanks everyone! :)
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