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Which Case..'OWAĆ' verbs?



Baltic PaulThreads: 4
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I have a list of 'OWAĆ' verbs which I must place in sentences.

Example KUPOWAĆ.
Chcę kupować biała koszula
(I want to buy a white shirt)
I suspect it would be:
Chcę kupować białą koszulę (accusative)


If anyone could help me understand which cases are used for basic sentences I would be eternally grateful.
peter_olsztynThreads: 8
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Baltic Paul:
Chcę kupować białą koszulę

Chcę kupić białą koszulę

kupować is intention

Na wiosnę będę kupować nowe auto.
We wrzesniu będę malować mieszkanie.
adulaThreads: -
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I think that you should write Chcę kupić białą koszulę ;]
leszek38Threads: -
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Chcę kupować = I want to be buying
Chcę kupić =I want to buy
SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13
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It will be the accusative case because the noun (what you want to buy, what you want to do etc.) is always the indirect object of the sentence. It's not because it ends in 'OWAĆ' or something like that.

The indirect object of a sentence will usually be in accusative case. Some exceptions are if the sentence is negated with 'nie', then it will be the genitive case. And some verbs govern a specific case. For example szukać governs the genitive case, so the noun will be in the genitive case.
benszymanskiThreads: 9
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SzwedwPolsce:
indirect object

Yes you are right but I think you mean "direct object" not "indirect object":

direct object - accusative
indirect object - usually dative.
SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13
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benszymanski:
Yes you are right but I think you mean "direct object" not "indirect object":

direct object - accusative
indirect object - usually dativ

Sorry, of course. Thanks.
Baltic PaulThreads: 4
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"Szukać governs the genitive case"

Can you expand on this.
The idea of certain verbs having a specific case governance.
gumishuThreads: 17
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the logic here is quite elusive Paul (if there is any :) )

you simply need to know (memorize) which verbs demand what cases of objects (nouns, adjectives, participles)
you have to remember that some verbs can take two kinds of objects at the same time - direct and indirect and these are different in case then

it is not only verbs that demand certain noun case(or whatever that is subject to declination) but also prepositions
Baltic PaulThreads: 4
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At the moment, Gumishu, I am using the oversimplified method of:
Verb + się = Instru/biernik
Negated by 'nie' or negative emotion 'bać się' = Gen/dopeł

Most other = Acc/Narz


Any other rules I should try to use????
gumishuThreads: 17
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well actually you know more than I do - need to take time considering it Paul

and yes it is often that verbs that have a notion of lack or as you stated negative emotion - need the genetive case
SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13
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Baltic Paul:
Any other rules I should try to use????

That some verbs always requires a specific case. For example szukać, słuchać and uczyć się always requires genitive for the direct object (including its adjective).

- Szukam dobrego hotelu (gen).
- Teraz uczę się historii (gen).

There is nothing that indicates that these verbs govern the genitive case. One just have to learn them by heart. But these are very common verbs, so it's quite important to know it.

But it's not difficult to use them. Just turn the direct object into genitive. You don't need to think of any special rules or constructions, because there are no.
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