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przytulaThreads: 1 Posts: 2 Joined: May 10, 09	May 10, 09, 09:19 / #
for the next lesson we have to find how to construct nouns in celownik (dativ) I have found some minimal information but the complete rule set on : +u or for person : +owi ono = o -> u ona : a -> e or ka ->ce would there be somewhere a complete list/overview of these rules Any site that you could recommend Thanks for all help/update Best Regards, Zbyszek Przytula

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,056 Joined: May 8, 09	Edited by: Ziemowit Jun 25, 09, 14:56 / #
przytula: on : +u or for person : +owi The prevailing dative ending in the masculine gender seems to be -owi for every noun, regardeless if it is a person or not. The -u ending has survived only in words most often used, for example: bratu, ojcu, księdzu, chłopcu, kotu, psu. Some people might still say the dative koniu, but the majority of them will say: koniowi; the same with osłu/osiołowi. I think some may have already started saying: kotowi, bratowi ...

KrzysztofThreads: 2 Posts: 1,146 Joined: Jul 26, 07	Jun 27, 09, 12:39 / #
Ziemowit: osłu/osiołowi osiołowi is wrong, the correct form is osłowi Ziemowit: I think some may have already started saying: kotowi, bratowi ... kotowi, bratowi - these sound really bad - of course it can happen by mistake (by analogy to the words with the -owi ending, which is more common in celownik), but if someone uses these forms on a regular basis, it hurts the ears of the listener :)

michalekThreads: - Posts: 59 Joined: Jun 14, 09	Jun 28, 09, 00:59 / #
Krzysztof: osiołowi is wrong wow! i would say 'osiołowi', ...maybe because the word 'osiołKowi' :) that's stange for me :) (and im native :P)

KrzysztofThreads: 2 Posts: 1,146 Joined: Jul 26, 07	Jun 28, 09, 01:18 / #
michalek: that's stange for me :) (and im native :P) Anyway, osłu is the regular form when talking about an animal, osłowi refers to people (when you say osioł about someone stubborn or lazy, stupid etc.).

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Jun 28, 09, 01:45 / #
Dzień dobry. Dawaj osłu marchewę.

KrzysztofThreads: 2 Posts: 1,146 Joined: Jul 26, 07	Jun 28, 09, 14:03 / #
Hello. Daj osłu marchewkę :)

axidThreads: - Posts: 27 Joined: Jun 28, 09	Edited by: axid Jun 28, 09, 15:06 / #
there is a difference between Daj and Dawaj. Daj is simply "give" Dawaj is "keep giving" osłowi is certainly incorrect in referrence to an animal. it is, though, correct in case of a "donkey" - a lazy person. such forms like "bratowi" are completely incorrect and I don't even know how You figured them up :) cheers

MichalThreads: - Posts: 2,408 Joined: Feb 27, 07	Jun 30, 09, 19:19 / #
indeed, the correct form is osłowi.

MoonlightingThreads: 60 Posts: 307 Joined: Apr 28, 07	Jul 8, 09, 10:56 / #
I also learn Polish and I compiled here everything I could find about nouns in celownik. Masculine nouns ============ "-owi" except the following: Bóg => Bogu brat => bratu chłop => chłopu chłopiec => chłopcu diabeł => diabłu kot => kotu ksiądz => księdzu kwiat => kwiatu lew => lwu ojciec => ojcu pan => panu pies => psu świat => światu wół => wołu Neuter nouns ========== "-u" except names in "-um" (muzeum, centrum...) which remain in "-um". Feminine nouns =========== -b,f,m,n,p,s,w,z- => -ie -t- => -cie -d- => -dzie -r- => -rze -ł- => -le -k- => -ce -g- => -dze -ch- => -sze -c,dz,sz,rz,ż,cz- => -y -l,j- => -i -nia => -ni -ość => -ości Plural ==== "-om" but there are some irregularities: dziecko => dzieciom imię => imionom zwierzę => zwierzętom -ość => -ościom

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,056 Joined: May 8, 09	Jul 8, 09, 16:05 / #
książe => księciu Panu Bogu świeczkę, a diabłu ogarek.

WiHa	Jul 9, 09, 22:36 / #
Ziemowit książe

WiHar	Jul 9, 09, 22:39 / #
Should it not be ksiażę

KrzysztofThreads: 2 Posts: 1,146 Joined: Jul 26, 07	Edited by: Krzysztof Jul 12, 09, 16:06 / #
WiHar: Ziemowit książe Should it not be ksiażę Yes, you are right, WiHar. M. książę D. księcia C. księciu B. księcia N. księciem M. księciu W. książę (plural) M. książęta D. książąt C. książętom B. książąt (?) N. książętami M. książętach W. książęta (I hope I didn't make any mistakes)

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