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Collective numbers - dwoje, troje, czworo


osiolThreads: 59
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Are there any more collective numbers or do they stop at 4?

I've heard them used to count children, but I was wondering if they are supposed to be used to count things like violins and doors which are strangely plural in the singular in Polish. Should things like trousers and scissors fit the same pattern?
VincentThreads: 15
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Strange but I was reading about these earlier. The bad news is they don't stop at four , they just keep going on, but 2 to 12 is used most frequently.
osiolThreads: 59
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Well, what are they?
EwcinkaThreads: 1
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pięcioro, sześcioro, siedmioro, ośmioro, dziewięcioro, dziesięcioro, jedenaścioro, dwanaścioro, trzynaścioro, czternaścioro, piętnaścioro....

happy or do you want more?
VincentThreads: 15
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I believe para (pair) is used with a pair of scissors, a pair of pants etc.


5. pięcioro
6. sześcioro
7. siedmioro
8.ośmioro
9.dziewięcioro
10. dziesięcioro
11. jedenaścioro
12.dwanaścioro

Sorry Ewcinka is a faster typist than me ;)
osiolThreads: 59
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Ewcinka:
happy or do you want more?

Yes and no.
Yes, I'm happy, thankyou.
No, I don't want more!

Vincent:
a pair of scissors, a pair of pants

Unless taken in the hands of a reasonably adept tailor, seamster or seamstress, this can be a bad combination.

So can anyone add to my list?
Dwoje dzieci
Troje drzwi

Skrzypce?
Drzwi?
VincentThreads: 15
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osiol:
So can anyone add to my list?

czworo ludzi.. You seem to have it sorted, in that, the nominative case of the collective numeral is followed by the genitive plural of the counted noun.
benszymanskiThreads: 9
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osiol:
So can anyone add to my list?

I have seen it used when emphasizing a collection of something

- e.g. czworo studentów

as opposed to czterech studentów. But 95% of the time when I come across these collective numbers it's when counting children.
gumishuThreads: 13
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czworo studentów - means there are students of both sexes in question
czterech studentów - just four male students
SzwedwPolsceThreads: 12
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Numbers are the worst parts of Polish grammar.
Lyzko   May 15, 09, 14:10 /  #
Compared to Swedish, ALL of Polish must seem like a nightmare, especially the number system:-)

Swedish has simplified even more than English in terms, f.ex. of its verb conjugations. LOL

Marek
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