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Help with pronunciation of Grorecki Symphony



cvangelistiThreads: 1
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I am a classical singer (clairevangelisti.com). I have just been asked to sing a movement from Henryk Gorecki's Symphony No. 3 and I need help with a few lines of pronunciation. I would graciously accept any guidance. I have sung in Russian and Czech but never Polish. The text is taken from the wall of a Polish concentration camp, written by an 18 year-old girl. Here it is:

Mamo, Mamo, nie placz,

Niebios Przeczysta Królowo,

Ty zawsze wspieraj mnie.

Zdrowa¶ Mario Laski¶ Pelna
krysiaThreads: 26
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It gonna be smtg like this:
cvangelisti:

Mamo, Mamo, nie placz,

Niebios Przeczysta Królowo,

Ty zawsze wspieraj mnie.

Zdrowa¶ Mario Laski¶ Pelna

Mah-moh, Mah-moh nye pwatch,
Nye-bee-os pshe-chys-tah Kroo-loh-voh,
tee zaw-sheh f-spee-eh-rai m-nye
Z-droe-vash Ma-ree-io was-keesh pew-nah("pe" like "pellets"
cvangelistiThreads: 1
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Thank you SO MUCH!! I think Polish is more complicated than Russian! This Symphony is a beautiful piece of music and is "looped," or played over and over again, in the Holocaust museum in D.C. Even if you don't like classical music, it is worth a listen.
plgThreads: 25
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Mamo, Mamo, nie placz,

Niebios Przeczysta Królowo,

Ty zawsze wspieraj mnie.

Zdrowa¶ Mario Laski¶ Pelna

AND WHATS IT MEAN IN ENGLISH KRYSIA
cvangelistiThreads: 1
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Oh Mamma do not cry—Immaculate Queen of Heaven support me always - this is what I have. I don't think it is complete
SwiteziankaThreads: -
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Joined: Jun 17, 08 		Edited by: Switezianka   Sep 18, 08, 14:34 /  #
Mother, mother, don't weep,
The Purest Queen of the Heavens
Always support me.
Hail Mary, full of grace.

I don't think any pseudo-phonetic transcription can give you any idea of the pronunciation. Polish sounds are just completely different.
I think you should either get a recording of this symphony (it shouldn't be a problem), or if you can't figure it out, I can recite it and record it for you, and send it to you in mp3 (I'm a native speaker, so that will be the most proper pronunciation). I don't have the best mic in the world but it should be enough. If you want it, send me your e-mail via PM.

Cool someone is finally not interested in Doda or Feel but in some real music.
hard_goresThreads: -
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Joined: Nov 30, 08 		Edited by: hard_gores   May 9, 09, 23:52 /  #
Can anyone recommend a recording of this by a Polish opera singer? The versions I have of this are beautiful, but they are sung by non-Polish sopranos, and you can hear they don't sing it correctly. Anyone who's learnt even basic Polish can notice the mispronunciation easily.



Can you confirm these are the right words (I've skipped repetition):

Mamo, nie płacz, nie
Niebios przeczysta Królowo
Ty zawsze wspieraj mnie
Zdrowa¶ Mario, łaski¶ pełna
Polonius3Threads: 1,005
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The accent (stressed syllable) is important and indicated below by the upper case:

Mamo, Mamo, nie placz,

Niebios Przeczysta Królowo,

Ty zawsze wspieraj mnie.

Zdrowa¶ Mario Laski¶ Pelna

MAH-maw, MAH-maw NYEH* pwahch
NYEH-byawss psheh-CHISS-tah KROO-law-vaw
TIH ZAHF-sheh FSPYEH-rahy MNYEH
ZDRAW-vahsh MAH-ryaw WAHS-keesh PEHW-nah

* eh is used here to indicate the short e in English let, met, pet, etc.
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