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Pronunciation of 'lunch'



jkirkwoodThreads: 2
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I came across the word 'lunch' while reading Polish, and wondered if you pronounce it according to Polish rules of pronunciation. It seems to me that this wouldn't be a very pleasant word to say if this is the case. Or do you pronounce it as in English? Or neither?
Thanks.
Wyspianska   Aug 25, 07, 17:27 /  #
like in english
I have a question too. Maybe it sounds silly but i never know how to pronounce "rarely". My tounge just getting crazy:D
WroclawThreads: 77
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Quoting: Wyspianska
"rarely".


r [as in rabbit[, air, lee/lea/ly
Wyspianska Edited by: Wyspianska   Aug 25, 07, 17:34 /  #
Ah, thx W :)
It isnt so hard
jkirkwoodThreads: 2
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Thanks wsypianska, that's cleared that up.
And about 'rarely', I don't think you're the only one! I've a Polish friend who kept messing that up until I told him its just two syllables, like Wroclaw wrote. Its just the spelling that puts you off.
telefonitika   Aug 25, 07, 17:40 /  #
i would have said based on the thread title you pronunce it "lunch" but thats me having my funny with you moment ... sorry am on a sense of humour roll

in polish its pronounced lanch and is masculine form
jkirkwoodThreads: 2
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Thanks; admittedly, the title does look kind of funny :)
Piątek   May 16, 09, 03:25 /  #
I once used the word 'lunch' when speaking to a Pole and pronounced it according to Polish rules, and it took him a while to figure out what I was talking about, lol.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Poles pronounce it more as lanch. Many Scots enunciate their vowels with precision so I hear this clearly.
Easy_TerranThreads: 4
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Wyspianska:
My tounge just getting crazy:D

I know what you mean...
I cannot pronounce 'literally' the American way for sh!te. Can do so with a very fake English accent, though ;)

Ahh.... those charms of English language :)))
MarekThreads: 4
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The American 'accent' is usually harder for Poles and many other Europeans, than the British or 'Oxford Standard' ('Received Pronounciation') generally taught in schools. While the sluggish drawl of Russian is the exception here, American English is notorious for slurring syllables and sounding the medial R in "woRd" or "biRd" as well as final R in "manneR" etc.. as well as that flat, almost dull 'u-sound' in words such as "lUnch" or "Ugly" etc.. which seeme to exist in no other languages.
benszymanskiThreads: 9
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I find English words in Polish a real pain - I never know if I should pronounce it as if I was talking in English, pronounce it in English but with a Polish accent so the listener understands me, or try and pronounce it according to Polish spelling/pronunciation rules....

The other day I was talking to a Polish guy about installing an automatic gate and he pulled out a brochure for a company called "Nice". First thing I thought - is that pronounced according to English, French, Polish, something else? I pronounced it Polish style and of course got it wrong...
MarekThreads: 4
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....which is because English, unlike Polish, has neither rhyme nor reason for its often chaotic spelling, not to mention pronounciation. All of this is due to several notable historical events: The Norman Conquest in 1066 AD, which brought French orthography as well as vocabulary to Anglo-Saxon England (exluding the Celts, Picts etc...) and Caxton's printing expansion, brought to Britain during the 16th century, I believe.

The rest of the story's a bit complicated, but this is the general gist:-)
benszymanskiThreads: 9
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Marek:
.which is because English, unlike Polish, has neither rhyme nor reason

yes but my point is not that English words are difficult, more that it is hard to know when using words of English origin in Polish whether they have been polonised or not, and if so, to what degree....
MarekThreads: 4
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Joined: Feb 15, 07 		Edited by: Marek   May 18, 09, 23:22 /  #
Same holds true in German. Sooo many expressions in daily speech, particularly in business, have been anglicized, it's sometimes hard to know whether or not the German word is still in use, or even whether there ever was a German equivalent, e.g. "department meeting", "art director", "cash flow" etc.... ad infinitum, are used exclusively in German.

Polish, I think ( .... I hope and pray!!!) is much more judicious as to when to adopt foreign words.
czeslawThreads: 2
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Marek:
Same holds true in German.

I'm an American who studied German in high school and college, and was shocked, after studying so much German vocabulary, that the Germans say "das Baby" and pronounce it as in English! :-)
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Marek:
Same holds true in German. Sooo many expressions in daily speech, particularly in business, have been anglicized, it's sometimes hard to know whether or not the German word is still in use, or even whether there ever was a German equivalent

Yeah sad, too much Hollywood probably.
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