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Smigus Dyngus Pronunciation!



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  Apr 22, 09, 02:44 /  #
Hello, I'm giving a speech on Polish culture and I was wondering if anyone could help me with the proper pronunciation of a few polish terms. I'm pretty sure that my way of saying them is way off.

The terms I'm trying to learn to say are:
Smigus Dyngus
Pisanki
Swieconka
Wigilia
Koledy
Pasterka

I really appreciate any help!
Thank You,
Sarah :)

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Edited by: krysia   Apr 22, 09, 02:53 /  #
Smigus Dyngus ___ Shmee-goose Deen-goose
Pisanki ___ Pea-son-key
Swieconka ___ Sh-fee-en-tson-kah
Wigilia ___ Vee-gee-lyah (g as in geese)
Koledy ___ Koe-lend-ee
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  Apr 22, 09, 02:58 /  #
Spalko:
Dyngus

Din goose rather than Dean goose. I'm not sure if I'd like to meet a goose called Dean.

Spalko:
Pasterka

Past airrrrrr ka. (But with a slightly shorter r than I just wrote).
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  Apr 22, 09, 02:58 /  #
Awesome, Thank you so much! I was definitely waaaaaaaay off with those :D
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  Apr 22, 09, 03:08 /  #
¦migus Dyngus
Pis±nki
Swięconka
Wigilia
Kolędy

It's those Polish charcaters that were missing that make all the difference.

Krysia, do you keep geese?
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Edited by: krysia   Apr 22, 09, 03:17 /  #
osiol:
Pis±nki Swięconka

Wrong osiołek. Try again.
No gęsi. Only kaczki.
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  Apr 22, 09, 03:38 /  #
krysia:
Try again.

¦więconka
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Edited by: krysia   Apr 22, 09, 03:39 /  #
Good job osioł. Now try the other one.
Hint: Not every "a" in the Polish language has a tail :)
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  Apr 22, 09, 03:41 /  #
If you insist.

Pis±ńki
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osiol:
Pis±ńki

Very original must say.
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Edited by: osiol   Apr 22, 09, 03:47 /  #
I'm running out of characters. Can I use the Czech u with a little circle above it?

Edith
krysia:
Pea-son-key

Pea sanky.
Pisanki

You fooled me (not difficult, I know).
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  Apr 22, 09, 04:08 /  #
you can say: piss on key
Lyzko   Apr 22, 09, 19:43 /  #
Wonder if there's any relation between the Polish word "dyngus" and older American slang "dingus" for some type of object.
Marku
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  Apr 22, 09, 20:25 /  #
Lyzko - there must be some - I've somewhere that the dyngus thing comes from German or other Germanic (das Ding) and it must have been the same with the dingus - must be from dings I guess (from Jewish people or from German immigrants)
Lyzko   Apr 22, 09, 20:41 /  #
Probably the latter, unless by "Jewish people" (Żydy) you mean Yiddish-speaking immigrants from around the Austro-Hungarian Empire a century or so ago, such as from Lemberg (formerly Lwów and now L'viv belonging to Ukraine).

Marku
Lyzko   Apr 22, 09, 20:49 /  #
Slightly off topic, but my first Polish teacher got my American tongue to pronounce the "ł"-sound in "pełny" so that it didn't come out like "pellnee" or something, by having me mimic an English person saying the word "pony".

Perhaps unorthodox, but by golly it worked!!!!

Marku
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  Apr 22, 09, 20:54 /  #
yes I meant Yiddish speaking people but as far I know most of those who came to America then originated in the Russian Empire (the lands taken from pre-partition Poland or rather Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth - so also from the ethnically Polish lands - these were the only areas in the Russian Empire Jews were allowed to live for quite long (rule introduced by Empress Catherine) it was not until late 19th century that the rule was lifted (or even later, can't remember)
as far as I know there was much less incentive for the Jews from Austro-Hungarian Empire to emigrate as they weren't persecuted in any significant form there
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  Apr 24, 09, 17:27 /  #
Well, many Jews were given special sanctions by the Hapsburg Monarchs, namely Emperor Franz-Josef, that's somewhat true. This isn't to imply however, that there was any less hostility towards Jews among the rank and file population at the time. In fact, Austria's anti-semitism was almost as virulent as Poland's, and more than in Germany. Don't forget either, the German "Aufklaerung" spread all throughout the Empire and Gotthold Ephraim Lessing, Moses Mendelssohn (himself a Jew!), Goethe himself, all contributed to a dissemination of French ideas regarding human equality etc.

The Austro-Hungarian situation was slightly different. Much of the region was still a rather backwater area, far behind France and England in either mercantile or cultural influence.

While most Jews from beyond the Pale, as you mention, were the most numerous immigrants to the New World, many Polish Jews settled for a time in Germany as well as other European countries, often forever, while others did indeed emigrate to America.

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