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Trzy how to pronunce?


Vincent Moderator   Sep 9, 2007, 09:53am /  #
Dzien dobry everyone.
I have just started learning Polish and I'm really stuck on the pronunciation of this number trzy. It is just too hard to pick up the sound of this word. The phonetic spelling that I have got is "tshi" but, the spoken sound of this word is nothing like this spelling.

I can get by with all the numbers from 1 to 100 but, if any number has trzy in it then, I'm stuck. Has anyone got a simple way of teaching me this word? Another phonetic spelling of it? Sounds like another word similar to it? My thanks to anyone who could help.


osiol   Sep 9, 2007, 09:57am /  #
The 't' is pronounced with the tongue flat on the palette just behind the front teeth.
The 'rz' has the tongue further back in the mouth, more like where the English 'r' sound is.
I think the 'rz' is also voiced (a 'zh' sound more than a 'sh' sound)
The 'y' is like the English 'i' in the word 'bit'. Maybe slightly tending towards the 'e' in 'shed'.

Wroclaw Photos: 2    Sep 9, 2007, 10:02am /  #
There is another thread about this somewhere.

Vincent Moderator   Sep 9, 2007, 10:09am /  #
Thanks for your help Osiol. I will have to practice that lots.
Such a difficult word that only has four letters for beginners.

Krzysztof Edited by: Administrator    Sep 9, 2007, 05:53pm /  #
there you go, I suck at recording sounds on the computer, so I decided to look for a famous song from the eighties (Trzy zapałki - Three matchsticks - by TSA), where you can here the word in the song's refrain (first - 1min32sec into the song, and then also at the end - 3min59sec)
it's a youtube style video clip



Krzysztof Edited by: Krzysztof    Sep 9, 2007, 11:02pm /  #
oops, I think the Admin edited my post and linked ANOTHER live version of the song (by some other singer, I think), which is unfortunate, because the sound is poorer and the pronounciation is a little worse (and you can forget about the exact moments I indicated with the word "trzy" - they don't match)

sledz   Sep 9, 2007, 11:28pm /  #
I like that song man, sounds like Blues/Rock

A Polish Led Zeppelin?

Dobrze!

plk123 Photos: 2    Sep 9, 2007, 11:34pm /  #
Quoting: sledz
A Polish Led Zeppelin?

lol.. that was my thought too. :D

Vincent Moderator   Sep 10, 2007, 04:01am /  #
Thanks for the video clip Krzysztof, I will be saving that to my ipod.
Wroclaw, I found that other thread and it has been very helpful too. Thanks

Krzysztof   Sep 10, 2007, 07:33am /  #
here's the linklk the betterversion:
teledyski.us/1826,tsa_8222trzy_zapalki8221.html

Atrop   Sep 10, 2007, 07:35am /  #
You should get "Before you know it" it's a program that lets you hear and see the words.

You can get it here: byki.com

tornado2007   Sep 10, 2007, 07:55am /  #
Quoting: Atrop

You should get "Before you know it" it's a program that lets you hear and see the words.

You can get it here: byki.com

i've been having great fun with this byki thing, it will really help with pronunciation, thanks :)

Vincent Moderator   Sep 10, 2007, 08:10am /  #
Quoting: Krzysztof
here's the linklk the betterversion:
teledyski.us/1826,tsa_8222trzy_zapalki8221.html


Thats much appreciated thanks. Great song too.

Quoting: Atrop
You should get "Before you know it" it's a program that lets you hear and see the words.

You can get it here:byki.com


Many thanks, these cards are good.

Lori   Mar 20, 2008, 11:02pm /  #
I'm far from perfect, but how I learned: I stumbled upon a group setting up for a concert or something like that in Warsaw. For the sound check it was: jeden, dwa, trzy. Now I carry that in my head.

Trevor   Jun 9, 2009, 02:12am /  #
Jun 9, 09, 18:35 - Thread attached on merging:
Can't say "Trzy" #3

Hi I cannot say the number 3, trzy. some ppl seem to say it without the "t" and just rzy.
It is hard to explain how i say it now- more like ćrej. (ch-ray). Pomoc!

freebird Edited by: freebird    Jun 9, 2009, 02:26am /  #
try it with tshee it sounds close

Babinich Photos: 1    Jun 9, 2009, 03:02am /  #
k, p, t before "rz" sounds like "sh".

freebird   Jun 9, 2009, 03:05am /  #
Babinich:
k, p, t before "rz" sounds like "sh".

so how does my "tshee" sound to you?

krysia   Jun 9, 2009, 06:32pm /  #
Trevor:
Can't say "Trzy" #3

Can you say "czy"?

Trevor   Jun 19, 2009, 09:14pm /  #
osiol:
The 't' is pronounced with the tongue flat on the palette just behind the front teeth.
The 'rz' has the tongue further back in the mouth, more like where the English 'r' sound is.
I think the 'rz' is also voiced (a 'zh' sound more than a 'sh' sound)
The 'y' is like the English 'i' in the word 'bit'. Maybe slightly tending towards the 'e' in 'shed'.

thank you it helped alot!!!

Atrop:
You can get it here: byki.com

i am using it but it didnt help me at all for trzy.

gumishu Photos: 1    Jun 19, 2009, 09:26pm /  #
osiol:
I think the 'rz' is also voiced (a 'zh' sound more than a 'sh' sound)

Polish pronounce 'rz' in 'trzy' as 'sz' - i think many people could have trouble understanding what you mean if you say 'trzy' with a voiced 'rz'

this is easily explained by a rule that says that voiced wovels become their voiceless counterparts if next to another voiceless consonant

gadka is pronounced like gatka (d becomes voiceless because of neighbouring k)

Trevor   Jun 24, 2009, 04:21pm /  #
gumishu:
Polish pronounce 'rz' in 'trzy' as 'sz'

So it should be pronounced with a sz not rz. so- it would technically be "tzy"??? i think i understand now

Wroclaw Boy Edited by: Wroclaw Boy    Jun 24, 2009, 05:54pm /  #
Vincent:
I can get by with all the numbers from 1 to 100 but, if any number has trzy in it then, I'm stuck. Has anyone got a simple way of teaching me this word?

Ha ha, i avoided the petrol pump number trzy for years, always bought two of four packets of cigarettes etc as the prenounciation gave me real issues, now i think ive got it down pretty good, no weird looks when i say it. My advice is practice makes perfect well as near to perfect as possible for us. Dont try to hard relax and mimic a native speaker as well as possible. If you think about saying it too much or try to hard youre gonna cock it up.

axid   Jun 28, 2009, 03:14pm /  #
after plosives rz becomes simply sh.
hence, there is no difference between przejście and pszenica.
does this site use IPA fonts? it would be a lot easier...

Ziemowit   Jun 28, 2009, 07:03pm /  #
axid:
after plosives rz becomes simply sh

Following only the voiceless plosives, however. The voiced plosives leave rz unaffected: grzęda, drzewo or brzeg are pronounced: gżęda, dżewo, bżek.

axid   Jun 29, 2009, 12:56am /  #
yup.
i thought i put that there too.
sorry, it is important.


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