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which verbs take biernik



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Am I correct in thinking that constructions are biernik with the following verbs:

podrozwac
uprawiac
tanczyc
jezdic
lubic
robic
plywac

My head hurts...
Wrecekrzepki   Feb 16, 09, 12:46 /  #
Well, that depends.

"Jeździć" and "podróżować" meaning "to drive sth" or "to travel by sth" would have NARZĘDNIK = "jeździć samochodem" or "podróżować autobusem". The same applies to "pływać" if you want to say for example "to swim the breststroke/butterfly" - this would become "pływać żabką/motylkiem".

Unfortunately if you want to say "to drive/travel/swim (to) somewhere" you would have to use verb + "do" + DOPEŁNIACZ = "jeździć do domu" (to drive home), "podróżować do Polski" (to travel to Poland), "pływać do brzegu" (to swim to the shore).

"Uprawiać", "lubić" and "robić" are normally followed by BIERNIK. "Tańczyć" (meaning "to dance rumba/samba") also uses BIERNIK = "tańczyć rumbę/salsę".

I'm afraid this will make your head hurt a bit more... ;)
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Ow! ;-)
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whichever verbs don't take another case and the direct object proceeds it.
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Davey, sorry I don't understand what you mean. Can you elaborate?

Thanks
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If the verb isn't specifically another case like szukać(genitive) or martwić się(instrumental)
and a direct object follows the verb, the object would be in accusative.
ex. mam dziewczynę, the verb mieć always takes accusative because the noun that follows is always a direct object.
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Ah OK I get it. Sounds simple when you put it like that.
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I would assume the verb to take the accusitive for the direct object unless I have learnt it to be otherwise (szukac with genitive, pozwalac with dative, etc.) It's the one to fall back on if you don't know because it's probably the most common.
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