Ancient Polish History thread

The march of centuries has not been kind to the toil of the Phrygian stonemasons of ancient Anatolia.

Above all, cast in stone, the passages give us an unadulterated imprint of the Old Early Slavic spoken on the Anatolian plateau 3,200 years ago.

osiol:

I don't believe Celts in Central Europe or the Balkans settled the British Isles

Caesar boasts that he committed the chieftains to the sword and sold all others into slavery. Did the defeat spell the end of the Veneti? Not at all. It may have ended their hegemony in Armorica. It may have forced some to move into the forested interior. It may have forced still others to take to the sea and flee to the British Isles or other parts of unoccupied Gaul. But the people and their language lived on in Armorica and elsewhere for centuries to come.

The most plausible hypothesis would be then that Thracian was a conservative type of Slavic, still preserving Baltic features and spoken by a peripheral group of Southern Slavs, somehow parallel to the Northern peripheral Balts (following the geolinguistic well-known rule, according to which the center innovates, and the periphery preserves).

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Mar 29, 09, 19:21 / #
Crow: ancient handwork of old Slavs Not only! From your link: ...Früher wies man diese generell den Slawen zu. Heute weiß man, dass derartige Kopfschmuckringe im frühen Mittelalter weit verbreitet waren, sowohl im alemannischen, fränkischen als auch im slawischen Raum. Transl.: "...Earler those were usually allocated to the Slaves. Today we know that such headdress rings were widespread during the early middle ages, as in the allemannian, frankian and slavic areas.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Mar 29, 09, 20:12 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Transl.: "...Earler those were usually allocated to the Slaves. Today we know that such headdress rings were widespread during the early middle ages, as in the allemannian, frankian and slavic areas. sure that definitions develop that way already Prussians (just for example) who were originaly Slavic are today represented as originaly Germans or take Slavic Brunabor that has become German Brandenburg, or we can talk about Berlin, etc, etc, etc, etc citation (page 4): ``The Slav tribes of the lands between the Elbe and the Oder were as likely to be in conflict with their Polish/Sliesian/Czech neighbours of the east as with incomers from the west. It was only in the course of twelfth century that these marcherlands were effectively brought under the authority of the German rulers. Only in 1157 did Slav Brunabor become German Brandenburg. In 965, the knez, the prince of Polanie Mieszko I, twarted a troublesome alliance between the Christian Czechs and his pagan, Slav neighbours to the west by his marriage to Dobrava, daughter of Duke Boleslav I of Bohemia.`` Source: A Concise History of Poland By Jerzy Lukowski, Hubert Zawadzki http://books.google.com/books?id=NpMxTvBuWHYC&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6&dq=bolesl aw+sorbs&source=web&ots=LDQMn3DoR7&sig=rCnEpnE68Tw52K6gOEKVX-4sDj0&hl= en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PPA4,M1

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Edited by: 1jola Mar 29, 09, 20:56 / #

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Mar 30, 09, 01:15 / #
its obvious Slavs are representatives of old European/Eurasian original native population or we can simple say `Go West, go to Slavija`. Or we should say, using older universal designation for Slavs that was primordial `Go West, go to Sarmatia`. Many of today existing European (speaking of) nations are just result of collision of old Slavic with newcoming cultural/ethnic/racial/linguistic influences and elements on European soil

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Mar 30, 09, 01:23 / #
Crow: newcoming Um... how new?

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Mar 30, 09, 01:24 / #
1jola: 1jola What do 'Gangs of New York' have to do with Polish history?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Mar 30, 09, 01:32 / #
osiol: Um... how new? in ancient time, biggest impact on European natives (read Proto Slavs/old Slavs) was made with penetration of newcomers- Egyptians, Arabians and other Semitic peoples on European soil on Mediteranian coast. That`s from where beggan retreat of natives and more later it turned into well known `drang nach osten`. Its ancient process

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Mar 30, 09, 01:38 / #
So populations of Germanic-speaking lands are somehow newcomers? The Basques came from somewhere else, rather than, as has traditionally been thought, that they are a group of people who have remained not just on the same territory, but also speaking the same language as the first settlers to their corner of Europe? It seems that within the Pole, there may be some Balt, a bit of German, a bit of Jew even, within the national make-up. Russians are most definitely a mix of Slav, Balt, Finno-Ugrian and in more recent times historically, Tatar. The Balkans in historical times, was home to a variety of ethnicities, or at least, languages.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Apr 16, 09, 00:33 / #
Slavic (Obodrite) toponyms in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania), today`s Germany Historic monuments in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern http://www.all-in-all.com/english/8032.htm Mecklenburg-Vorpommern boasts an impressive collection of ancient monuments. They are witness to the settlements of the region since the end of the Ice Age. Those on land and in water include earlier trading posts, settlements, fortifications, burial sites and centres of culture. Still to be seen today are the especially impressive megalithic graves from the Stone Age, Bronze Age barrows and earthworks.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Apr 18, 09, 00:41 / #
wolf is very important in Slavic mithology vuk

Rafal_1981	Apr 18, 09, 17:44 / #
Herodotus’ Histories, mentioning a tribe of Neuri in the far north, whose men, Herodotus claims, transform themselves into wolves for several days each year. Some researchers have interpreted this through the Slavic folk belief in werewolves, whilst other believe that Herodotus actually referred to ancient Slavic carnival festivals, when groups of young men roamed the villages in masks, sometimes referred to as vucari (wolf-humans). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_mythology

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Oct 26, 09, 17:11 / #
traces of their origin could be traced back in the time after ice age was finished... practicaly, we can say that they originates from the beggining of time... in time immemorial. Children of Danubian world, old people of old civilization that was born on the banks of the Danube river, on Balkan. There started their European journey where they developed agriculture and all kind of practical every day skills. They lived in land of free, in land of green. They spread all over the Balkan, to the south-eastern and eastern Europe, they reached central and northern Europe, even European west. From ancient time their name was known from Europe to the Near East, Eurasia and Asia. Ultimately, they were masters of warcraft >>> SARMATS those are my ancestors and their language and heritage still live only in Slavic world. Yes, Sarmats (Sarmatians, Scythians) or Slavs, its all the same if you want to understand what is true and original, native and autohtonous WEST.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow May 2, 09, 19:29 / #
a trace of ancestors? GORDIAN KNOT UNBOUND by Anthony Ambrozic http://www.prah.net/europaveneta/gordian/index.htm The march of centuries has not been kind to the toil of the Phrygian stonemasons of ancient Anatolia. Above all, cast in stone, the passages give us an unadulterated imprint of the Old Early Slavic spoken on the Anatolian plateau 3,200 years ago. osiol: I don't believe Celts in Central Europe or the Balkans settled the British Isles interesting? ADIEU TO BRITTANY by Anthony Ambrozic http://www.prah.net/europaveneta/brittany/index.htm Caesar boasts that he committed the chieftains to the sword and sold all others into slavery. Did the defeat spell the end of the Veneti? Not at all. It may have ended their hegemony in Armorica. It may have forced some to move into the forested interior. It may have forced still others to take to the sea and flee to the British Isles or other parts of unoccupied Gaul. But the people and their language lived on in Armorica and elsewhere for centuries to come. Who were the Thracians? http://agema-makedonin.blogspot.com/2007/10/who-were-thracians.html The most plausible hypothesis would be then that Thracian was a conservative type of Slavic, still preserving Baltic features and spoken by a peripheral group of Southern Slavs, somehow parallel to the Northern peripheral Balts (following the geolinguistic well-known rule, according to which the center innovates, and the periphery preserves).

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	May 29, 09, 00:00 / #
Pratush: the ancient history of Poland would basically go into ancient slavic history and mythology....