Why announce this on Sept. 17th (60th anniversary) ?

rangersfan527:

You mean the 70th anniversary. Yeah it had to be done intentionally, I don't see it as coincidental. It's a slap in the face after all the support Poland has given to the U.S. Maybe Poles were divided over the shield being built but I don't like Obama announcing it on the anniversary of Poland being invaded by Russia.

ScottBThreads: 3 Joined: Dec 15, 08	Sep 19, 09, 04:04 / #
Does anyone believe that there is an additional purpose in declaring that a missle shield would not be deployed in Poland on the 60th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland. I can't believe that the timing was coincidental. Either nobody in the Obama administration owns an almanac or else this was done intentionally.

rangersfan527Threads: 13 Posts: 52 Joined: Mar 18, 08	Sep 19, 09, 10:55 / #
You mean the 70th anniversary. Yeah it had to be done intentionally, I don't see it as coincidental. It's a slap in the face after all the support Poland has given to the U.S. Maybe Poles were divided over the shield being built but I don't like Obama announcing it on the anniversary of Poland being invaded by Russia.

TymoteuszThreads: 7 Posts: 694 Joined: Jul 25, 09	Sep 19, 09, 14:23 / #
That must have been part of the "HOPE" and "CHANGE" thingy.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	Sep 19, 09, 15:32 / #
just a coincidence but you can make whatever you want out of it.

KrzysztofMaximiThreads: 1 Posts: 8 Joined: Aug 17, 09	Sep 19, 09, 15:55 / #
Ignorance. Simple ignorance. Shameful.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Sep 19, 09, 16:25 / #
plk123: just a coincidence but you can make whatever you want out of it. So you think that a guy who has an army of advisors did just a blunder? Nice.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09	Sep 19, 09, 16:41 / #
well - Mr Tusk last year had no hesitation before deeming the Bush administration proposals for the shield in Poland unsatisfactory (nearly turning the whole proposal down) on the 4th of July (and it was no coincidence then) - so even if this time it was no coincidence either this would be paying back in a similar coin simply

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Sep 19, 09, 19:15 / #
rangersfan527: You mean the 70th anniversary. Yeah it had to be done intentionally, I don't see it as coincidental. It's a slap in the face after all the support Poland has given to the U.S. Maybe Poles were divided over the shield being built but I don't like Obama announcing it on the anniversary of Poland being invaded by Russia. Dosen't you know that Obama is Russian? Actually it was some sort of tribute in honor of his grandpa from his father's line who had invaded as soviet soldier in Poland in 1939...

wzgrzaThreads: - Posts: 60 Joined: Sep 1, 09	Sep 19, 09, 23:10 / #
Was intentional, for one reason or another. Warsaw needs to have a harder line with the U.S. It is embaressing.

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Sep 19, 09, 23:12 / #
wzgrza: Warsaw needs to have a harder line with the U.S. It is embaressing. what could Warsaw do/say that would make any difference to the US??

wzgrzaThreads: - Posts: 60 Joined: Sep 1, 09	Edited by: wzgrza Sep 19, 09, 23:29 / #
tornado2007 VISA requirements on Americans comming into Poland. Withdrawal, or at least a partial withdrawal of troops from the Middle East, for example. While this would not phase the U.S, it would be a simple gesture or statement. And as an added plus, in the case of Afghanistan a huge relief on our budget and military. The signs from the U.S as to how they feel about Poland have been quite apparent lately. It is embaressing to continue this type of diplomacy with a country that clearly does not respect you, and in part this lack of repsect is caused by our lousy governments constant brown nosing.

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Sep 19, 09, 23:31 / #
wzgrza: VISA requirements on Americans comming into Poland. Withdrawal, or at least a partial withdrawal of troops from the Middle East, for example. While this would not phase the U.S, it would be a simple gesture. And as an added plus, in the case of Afghanistan a huge relief on our budget and military. ok to be honest i can't see America as a whole being bothered by not being able to enter Poland, especially since the 'shield' idea has been thrown out. As for pulling your troops out of the middle east, how many do you have there at the moment?? i'm sure they could be replaced with the click of a finger.

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Sep 19, 09, 23:35 / #
wzgrza: Read again well my point still stands, even if you use this as some sort of statement, how is it going to change the Americans views on the Polish and their respect to the country?? Surely Poland would be cutting of its nose to spite its face if they are potentially going to get the backs of the Americans up

TheOtherThreads: 5 Posts: 1,584 Joined: Jul 13, 09	Edited by: TheOther Sep 19, 09, 23:43 / #
tornado2007: what could Warsaw do/say that would make any difference to the US?? Just watch the American news channels on cable, and you know exactly what countries are important to the chaps in D.C.: USA Iraq Afghanistan Israel China Japan Great Britain Mexico The rest does not exist, it seems - at least not in the mainstream media.

wzgrzaThreads: - Posts: 60 Joined: Sep 1, 09	Sep 19, 09, 23:32 / #
wzgrza: While this would not phase the U.S, it would be a simple gesture or statement Read again.

wzgrzaThreads: - Posts: 60 Joined: Sep 1, 09	Edited by: wzgrza Sep 19, 09, 23:58 / #
tornado2007: well my point still stands, even if you use this as some sort of statement, how is it going to change the Americans views on the Polish and their respect to the country?? Surely Poland would be cutting of its nose to spite its face if they are potentially going to get the backs of the Americans up It has more to do with governments, and a sign that the one-way relationship needs change if it is to stay healthy. If Washington will not even flinch, or care, then what kind of ally are they in the first place? How can we expect backing from them on the global scene, when they cannot even be bothered by something like this? Nothing unfair about this, we would only be treating, and acting in a way similar to the U.S. I admit the VISA thing would be viewed as hostile, but it is the same way the U.S treats Poles. As for Afghanistan, that would be fully understandable, would get the point across, and would also benefit Poland. Something like this would change the views on Poland. It would no longer be a lapdog country of the U.S, but looked at one with it's own mind. Things like this get you respect, and bring up your credibility. This would also be in the interest of Poland as we are bleeding money on this Afghanistan conflict. But our government is run by a bunch of idiots who are only interested in their own profits, and high paying positions. Rather then the well being, image, and future of their own nation. Sad.