Cud nad Wisla / Battle of Warsaw 1920

BubbaWoo:

had a quick look at the link - interesting... but why did so many poles 'disappear' compared to the russians...?

"Estimated Bolshevik losses were 10,000 killed, 500 missing, 10,000 wounded and 66,000 taken prisoner, compared with Polish losses of some 4,500 killed, 10,000 missing and 22,000 wounded."

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,544 Joined: Dec 29, 06	Aug 15, 07, 09:51 / #
I am sure as some of you know today is a Public Holiday in Poland and also Cud na Wisdla - Battle of Warsaw 1920. The Battle of Warsaw (sometimes referred to as the Miracle at the Vistula, Polish: Cud nad Wisłą) was the decisive battle of the Polish-Soviet War, which began soon after the end of World War I in 1918 and lasting until the Treaty of Riga (1921). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Warsaw_(1920)

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Edited by: BubbaWoo Aug 15, 07, 10:36 / #
had a quick look at the link - interesting... but why did so many poles 'disappear' compared to the russians...? "Estimated Bolshevik losses were 10,000 killed, 500 missing, 10,000 wounded and 66,000 taken prisoner, compared with Polish losses of some 4,500 killed, 10,000 missing and 22,000 wounded."

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 [Moderator]	Aug 15, 07, 10:49 / #
Quoting: szkotja2007 I am sure as some of you know today is a Public Holiday in Poland I don't like holidays in the middle of the week. I keep thinking it's Saturday.

BubbaWooThreads: 46 Posts: 4,438 Joined: Sep 26, 06	Aug 15, 07, 10:52 / #
unless of course its in spain where the custom is to 'bridge' the day off to the weekend

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Sep 24, 07, 09:24 / #
it shows better whole war not only one battle ... we deffended our country we stoped red army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Soviet_War

DaisyThreads: 16 Posts: 2,172 Joined: Apr 28, 07	Sep 24, 07, 09:27 / #
Quoting: Wroclaw I don't like holidays in the middle of the week. I keep thinking it's Saturday. I'll have yours then

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Sep 26, 07, 03:17 / #
Quoting: BubbaWoo 66,000 taken prisoner, compared Which were starved to death by Polish authorities in the concentration camps :-(((

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Sep 26, 07, 03:29 / #
Quoting: ConstantineK Which were starved to death by Polish authorities in the concentration camps :-((( lie

RonekThreads: 1 Posts: 297 Joined: Sep 4, 07	Sep 26, 07, 03:33 / #
this movie says it all

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Sep 26, 07, 04:49 / #
Quoting: Lukasz Quoting: ConstantineK Which were starved to death by Polish authorities in the concentration camps :-((( lie They died spontaneously?

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Sep 26, 07, 04:55 / #
Quoting: ConstantineK Which were starved to death by Polish authorities in the concentration camps :-((( LOL ! A large part of these people changed the side and fought for us, others were affraid to come back - killing those, who were POWs of the enemy was well known in the SU long before WW2. The whole thing was made up in late 80's as "anti-Katyń" - we can't deny Katyń anymore but let's show that they are no better.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Sep 26, 07, 05:39 / #
Not funny. Rather pathetic.

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09	Aug 15, 09, 12:33 / #
ConstantineK: Which were starved to death by Polish authorities in the concentration camps :-((( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camps_for_Polish_prisoners_and_internees_ in_Soviet_Union_and_Lithuania_(1919-1921) About 20,000 out of about 51,000 Polish POWS died in Soviet and Lithuanian camps. Similar number of Soviet POWs - from 16,000 to 20,000 out of 80,000 - perished due to disease and poor conditions in Polish camps in that period. Gee, I wonder in which camps conditions were worse...

GregrogThreads: 3 Posts: 114 Joined: Feb 2, 09	Aug 15, 09, 13:30 / #
It looks like Soviet camps were worse - 39% of Polish POW's died comparing to 20%-25% of Soviet POW's parished.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Sep 26, 07, 05:35 / #
Katyn? Hemmm, it's Polish-German case!

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Sep 26, 07, 07:07 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ Not funny. Rather pathetic. Sorry

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Sep 26, 07, 07:13 / #
OK...

PoznanThreads: 8 Posts: 72 Joined: Oct 23, 08	Edited by: Poznan Oct 25, 08, 20:05 / #
BubbaWoo: had a quick look at the link - interesting... but why did so many poles 'disappear' compared to the russians...? "Estimated Bolshevik losses were 10,000 killed, 500 missing, 10,000 wounded and 66,000 taken prisoner, compared with Polish losses of some 4,500 killed, 10,000 missing and 22,000 wounded." you tal about only one episod in this war ... In whole war result was : Casualties and losses Russian: estimated over [b]200,000 killed 80,000 taken prisoner[6] (including rear-area personnel) Polish: 47,571 killed -96,250 113,518 wounded, 51,351 taken prisoner One of the best units in this war was 17 Infranty division form Greater Poland. After succesful anti-German up rise Poznań troops were moved on easter front and 17th division is worth remember.

KrakowfitoutThreads: - Posts: 8 Joined: May 13, 09	Aug 15, 09, 10:08 / #
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Pan KazimierzThreads: 2 Posts: 276 Joined: Jul 4, 09	Aug 15, 09, 10:36 / #
BubbaWoo: had a quick look at the link - interesting... but why did so many poles 'disappear' compared to the russians...? "Estimated Bolshevik losses were 10,000 killed, 500 missing, 10,000 wounded and 66,000 taken prisoner, compared with Polish losses of some 4,500 killed, 10,000 missing and 22,000 wounded." Can't say, but how many taken prisoner? That might account for it.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07	Aug 15, 09, 17:40 / #
It was a victory so there wont be much of celebrations in Poland.

Cud nad Wisla / Battle of Warsaw 1920 - Public Holiday