Drang nach Osten.

Sokrates:

And here we have Lusatians well before that :))) We can play with proto expansion maps all day, including early slavic settlements in and around modern day Berlin the hard fact is that we built 90% of cities there, the first chronicles in the region are written in latin by our people, the first stone buildings are chapels built by Poles, the first roads, harbors, villages etc etc, thats hard archeological evidence

HuegThreads: 1 Posts: 428 Joined: Apr 16, 07	Oct 23, 08, 11:38 / #
maybe we need some sharks for them there waters! That'll explain the fires in the Chunnel then. :) (Hi Hueg - how's going chicken?) Hi Shelley. :) Busy chasing after the last warm rays of sun at the moment. It's not only our assets that are getting frozen these days brrr Life treating you well I hope! :)

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern Oct 23, 08, 12:50 / #
Sasha: And Czechs... Lepší jeden prd než deset doktorů... Can you say ''strc prst skrz krk''? It is a czech phrase actually.It means ''stick your finger down your neck.'' URL

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Oct 23, 08, 12:58 / #
Sasha: Lepší jeden prd než deset doktorů very true ;)

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Oct 23, 08, 13:00 / #
southern: Can you say ''strc prst skrz krk''? Oh yeah... there're lots of such things in Czech. :) I actually love this west-slavic vowelless spelling. If you're asking about modern Russian, then only word "prst" (spelling "perst" in Rus) would be understandable. But it's more like poetical Russian... obsolete word you know... In a daily life we usually use "palez" instead of "perst". Z pronounced as in Deutsch.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern Oct 23, 08, 13:00 / #
Or the other ''pivo dela hezke tela''.(the beer makes beautiful bodies).

MarekThreads: 4 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Oct 23, 08, 13:01 / #
Apropos the 'Chunnel of Love', would the French ever be insane enough to demand land back which the Normans conquered back in 1066??? Food for thought-:)-:)

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1,786 Joined: Jul 20, 06	Oct 23, 08, 13:05 / #
southern: strc prst skrz krk Whoa!!! Serbs, eat your heart out! :)

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Oct 23, 08, 13:06 / #
southern: Or the other ''pivo dela hezke tela'' Hey, druzhe... How do you know? that's my second favourite Czech quote... :)) Pivo dělá hezká těla is a right spelling I think. Seems the topic turns to "chtete mluvit cesky" lessons of Czech. :)) McCoy: very true ;) Sure! :) Too bad we don't have something similar in russian...

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07	Oct 23, 08, 13:14 / #
Sasha: Pivo dělá hezká těla is a right spelling I think. I use this as a moto with the Diskoteka Avarya song ''piej pivo,pivo piej''.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Oct 23, 08, 15:48 / #
Drang nach Osten But of course the German 'volk' needed this 'living space' in the East...And, are not the lands of Poland and the Ukraine theirs by 'natural law'?

MarekThreads: 4 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Oct 23, 08, 17:02 / #
I trust you're being ironic. There are though still some lone hold out lunatic fringe supporters of a sort of beefed up 'Lebensraum' program. A German politician, originally from the former Sudeten area, now Czech Republic thank you very much, actually wanted to pass a bill in the Bundesrat or German Senate some years back, challenging the established postwar Polish-German border!! And he was for real too--:)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Oct 23, 08, 17:05 / #
Well...borders changed all the time in history... Who knows about borders in hundred years from now...:)

Wahldo	Oct 23, 08, 17:33 / #
southern: Bratwurst Boy: Who knows about borders in hundred years from now...:) German dreams. ..which will probably mean somebody else's screams.

sloThreads: 2 Posts: 85 Joined: Nov 26, 07	Oct 23, 08, 17:41 / #
I am just disappointed how Germans treat Easter Europe - like Russia dominated territory. Recently Ukrainian Ministry Of Foreign Affaires issued Note Of Protest against appearance of German Foreign Minister Mr. Erler on Russian TV with sentences against Ukraine's NATO membership. I would accept it as a confusion if I never watched German DW - very pro-Russian in everything towards E. Europe.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07	Oct 23, 08, 17:30 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Who knows about borders in hundred years from now...:) German dreams.

HuegThreads: 1 Posts: 428 Joined: Apr 16, 07	Oct 23, 08, 18:03 / #
disappointed how Germans treat Easter I tend to agree, they go slightly overboard with the whole egg thing and hide the chocolate ones even though fasting is over. Still they make up for it with donuts for all in the bank on pancake day. Thinking about it is that how we got into this jam in the first place? What was the question again? :)

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Oct 24, 08, 03:13 / #
Marek: Apropos the 'Chunnel of Love', would the French ever be insane enough to demand land back which the Normans conquered back in 1066??? Good point..but we have nuclear weapons now :) just let them try :)))) Them damn snail eating heathens ;-) But seriously we should thank the Normans they brought cutlery to Britain :) And thanks to the Romans they gave us roads, not sure what the Saxons brough but they did leave place names behind.

MarekThreads: 4 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Feb 15, 07	Edited by: Marek Oct 24, 08, 07:25 / #
"Them damn snail eating heathens;-)....." Tutt, tutt Shel! Musn't lose one's temper. (...even though I'm inclined to agree, he-he!!) "But seriously we should thank the Normans; they brought cutlery to Britain :).." Yeah, and a fat lot of good it did you! Now everyone had but another weapon to hurl at a potential adversary, after it had been used to spear food, that is--:) And "seriously", while we're on the subject, had Will the Conquering Hero never set foot on Saxonland, our spelling wouldn't have become as f_ _ _ _d up as it is, and has been for some time. Hey, there's a good 'ol Saxonism -:). Sorry, I meant 'sullied'. Not as common sounding, plus it's Latin derived.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Nov 13, 08, 16:58 / #
Drang nach Osten? Hmm...is this some kind of anagram? ;) I'm an evil tory bigot, this was the best one. For who?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Nov 14, 08, 10:21 / #
Drang nach Osten its reality, its process

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 30, 09, 18:53 / #
I've read more about this, it was a major policy move. Quite tragic how cavalier they were about it too.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 30, 09, 19:06 / #
Bratwurst Boy: WE WERE HERE FIRST! Where here? In Europe? I daresay we arrived in Europe at the same time, in Gdańsk? We, the Poles built it, in Poznań? Also Polish built, Wrocław? Built by Czechs and taken over by Poles (so even here we were before you guys) so BB where exactly were you first? Bratwurst Boy: no germanic tongue survives a "Bydgoszcz", a "Olsztyn", or a "Szczecin"! Even here you put a blanket statement, Olsztyn i'm forced to agree was first built by Teutonic Knights but for example Szczecin was built by Slavs and first governed by Poles and specifically Mieszko I and his descendandts, even Bydgoszcz is first mentioned as a Polish city in 1238 and later occupied by TO so where were you "first?" You could probably argue about TO but they arrived to an area typically inhabited by Poles and other nations for over 4 centuries so no you were not first, not in Pomerania, not in Wrocław and Poznań.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Jun 30, 09, 19:42 / #
Sokrates: so where were you "first?" :) Now you are near Berlin...Polish "Drang nach Westen" tsk :)

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Edited by: Sokrates Jun 30, 09, 19:56 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Now you are near Berlin...Polish "Drang nach Westen" tsk :) Yawn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EasternEurope750BC.png And here we have Lusatians well before that :))) We can play with proto expansion maps all day, including early slavic settlements in and around modern day Berlin the hard fact is that we built 90% of cities there, the first chronicles in the region are written in latin by our people, the first stone buildings are chapels built by Poles, the first roads, harbors, villages etc etc, thats hard archeological evidence. Besides its not our fault that you're dying out, your border towns are peachy with Polish inhabitants, regardless of stereotypes we do work hard, pay our taxes and thats in time when you have less and less of your own people to do that.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Edited by: Moderator Jun 30, 09, 19:58 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Well...borders changed all the time in history... Who knows about borders in hundred years from now...:) I guess we won't have to worry about the next invasion. :) broken link removed 40% of German soldiers too fat "It would be an enormous advantage on the battlefield if they shaped up," the defence ministry admitted yesterday The army was, he said, "full of fatties ... making us the laughing stock abroad where we're seen as overweight grumpy old men ... compared to the British, we're viewed as pathetic."

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Edited by: 1jola Jun 30, 09, 20:05 / #
I couldn't edit my photo above because I get a message that it is being censored by Admin. Must be an error, right? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/06/germany.armedforces?gusrc= rss&feed=networkfront

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 30, 09, 20:13 / #
Sokrates: And here we have Lusatians well before that :))) We can play with proto expansion maps all day, including early slavic settlements in and around modern day Berlin the hard fact is that we built 90% of cities there, the first chronicles in the region are written in latin by our people, the first stone buildings are chapels built by Poles, the first roads, harbors, villages etc etc, thats hard archeological evidence Nope, the Germanics were there before you! Before us there were only some Celts (poor sods). You asked...:) 1jola: I guess we won't have to worry about the next invasion. :) What invasion??? We just come over....:) (So do you!) There are no borders anymore. In the future the regional belonging will count much more in another generation or two.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Edited by: 1jola Jun 30, 09, 20:16 / #
I was in Olsztyn a couple weeks ago and it was full of German tourists. They are doing recon, I bet. :) I was reading about the Buneswehr in Afganistan recently and they are limited by parliament to only responding when attacked by the Taliban. Nothing like waiting to be attacked. Politicians know best what goes on in the field.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Jun 30, 09, 20:19 / #
1jola: They are doing recon, I bet. :) In shorts and with white socks trying to blend in with the natives I bet!!!

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Jun 30, 09, 20:22 / #
Ain't gonna cut it. The natives have black socks. Very chic.