Gdansk and it's history with Poland

Sokrates:

you're an anti-Polish bastard who will ignore anything that doesnt fit, you've asked for examples of Polish architecture i provided them and more so i can shut you up for good :))))

Sokrates:

No reinventions, Polish renessaince and baroq in its full glory :)))) Of course you wouldnt respond to these examples since you were hellbent on claiming Poles never built anything in Gdańsk when in fact the majority of surviving architecture is Polish built, but hey always glad to make you look as stupid biased and prejudiced as you are :))))

Sokrates:

No Polish architecture indeed :)))

Sokrates:

but hey always glad to make you look as stupid biased and prejudiced as you are :))))

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 19, 09, 03:20 / #
Gdansk has century's long connection with Poland. Those connection are good enough to say that Poland has historical rights to Gdańsk regardless that after year 1793 the town become German.

mets2redsox0Threads: 1 Posts: 51 Joined: Mar 24, 07	Jun 19, 09, 05:01 / #
Ironside: say that Poland has historical rights to Gdańsk regardless that after year 1793 the town become German. well, to use a Cliton-ism, that depend's on when? "The city is close to the former boundary between West Slavic and Germanic lands and it has a complex political history with long spells of Polish rule interspersed with periods of German control and two spells as a free city. For much of its history the majority of its inhabitants were German-speakers who referred to their city as Danzig, but after World War II it again became part of Poland". I was under the Belief that before 1945, that the majority of the people living in Gdańsk were of German heritage and the people living around Gdańsk were of Polish heritage, until after the war, when the Russian's Kicked-out almost all of the German's out of Gdańsk!, along with what was East Prussia and most of what was (Eastern Part of) the Prussia German State as September of 1939.

BondiThreads: 4 Posts: 148 Joined: Sep 11, 07	Jun 19, 09, 09:41 / #
They did not "kick them out". That was not the style of the barbaric Communism. Most of them had fled before the "liberating army of the friendly Soviet Union" arrived, but thousands of people stayed at home. The Soviets tortured and massacred them, while ransacking and destroying most of the city.

kj3Threads: - Posts: 7 Joined: May 12, 09	Jun 19, 09, 11:15 / #
Gdańsk was just multicultural city on Polish soil. It was Hanzeatic city with many German Danish (G)dansk, Dutch, Swedish etc. inhabitants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gda%C5%84sk

mylesgThreads: 12 Posts: 14 Joined: Jun 16, 09	Jul 2, 09, 22:31 / #
What is a good book on the Solidarity movement (English) and/or Gdansk?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jul 2, 09, 23:54 / #
Built by Poles, nuff said.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 3, 09, 10:05 / #
Sokrates: Built by Poles, Hence the classic Polish architecture....

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jul 3, 09, 11:22 / #
Harry: Hence the classic Polish architecture.... What is a classic Polish architecture .......

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 3, 09, 11:36 / #
Ironside: What is a classic Polish architecture ....... Not what you see in Gdansk....

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jul 3, 09, 12:06 / #
Harry: Not what you see in Gdansk.... But whats a classic Polish architecture ?

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jul 3, 09, 12:29 / #
Harry: There are still traces in Warsaw but sadly not many.... there is no classic Polish architecture! In Poland there is general European trends in Architecture with regional differences, if we talking town it all depend when said town had best financial and political condition to develop. So comparing Warsaw architecture from late 1700s and Gdansk from 1500s tale you nothing and can be misleading.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jul 3, 09, 13:01 / #
Harry: What would you call Mazovian Gothic? regional variation Harry: But to come back to the original point: the architecture of Gdansk is very much Hanseatic architecture. And from what I remember the Hanseatic league was not actually Polish. neither was any other nationality it was like (in some way) multinational corporation, it not as much about ethnicity as about money and power ....

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 3, 09, 13:22 / #
Ironside: regional variation Don't know much about architecture do you. Ironside: neither was any other nationality it was like (in some way) multinational corporation, The cities of the league were Free Imperial Cities, the Empire being the Holy Roman Empire.

sjamThreads: 5 Posts: 1,016 Joined: Jan 13, 09	Jul 3, 09, 13:46 / #
How about some architectural images to help illustrate the posts? Are there any particular great examples of classic Polish architecture that were not re-interpreted during reconstruction after the war?

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 3, 09, 12:17 / #
Ironside: But whats a classic Polish architecture ? There are still traces in Warsaw but sadly not many....

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 3, 09, 12:52 / #
Ironside: there is no classic Polish architecture! What would you call Mazovian Gothic? But to come back to the original point: the architecture of Gdansk is very much Hanseatic architecture. And from what I remember the Hanseatic league was not actually Polish.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 3, 09, 13:54 / #
sjam: Are there any particular great examples of classic Polish architecture that were not re-interpreted during reconstruction after the war? There's the church on the Wisla scarp slightly to the north of the New Town. That, as far as I know, is the only surviving piece of Mazovian Gothic in Warsaw.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jul 3, 09, 14:58 / #
Harry: The cities of the league were Free Imperial Cities, the Empire being the Holy Roman Empire. even in Finland, Norway and Russia? You don't know much about league do you? by the way Gdansk was an Royal Free City (same like Kraków and others) the Kingdom being Kingdom of Poland! Harry: Don't know much about architecture do you. You asked what I would called it .......anyway its hardly Polish architecture hence the name -Mazovian Gothic !

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 3, 09, 15:10 / #
Ironside: even in Finland, Norway and Russia? You don't know much about league do you? As you know so much about the league, could you please name all of the cities in Finland, Norway and Russia (excluding Kaliningrad Oblast) which were in the league. Actually, just name one city in any of those countries which was in the League.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jul 4, 09, 09:35 / #
sjam: Are there any particular great examples of classic Polish architecture that were not re-interpreted during reconstruction after the war? http://img78.imageshack.us/i/pocz4jt.jpg/ http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Gda%C5%84sk_ratusz. jpg http://www.pieknygdansk.gda.pl/galeria_dzielnice/zbrojownia.jpg http://www.polskieszlaki.pl/zdjecia/ania/dlugie_pobrzeze_506_270.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Dom_Opatow_Pe lpl.JPG/385px-Dom_Opatow_Pelpl.JPG www.polskieszlaki.pl/zdjecia/ania/dlugie_pobrzeze_506_270.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Dom_Opatow_Pe lpl.JPG I can keep going but its not like you or Harriet care, you're both anti-Polish kunts :))) Gdańsk is absolutely full of classic Polish architecture, including its town hall, the problem with you rednecks is that you dont know it, never been there, never even cared to learn that Gdańsk was built up by Polish kings, that untill late XVI century many Polish noble families built up the city:)))

sjamThreads: 5 Posts: 1,016 Joined: Jan 13, 09	Jul 4, 09, 09:56 / #
Sokrates: you're both anti-Polish kunts :))) ... you seem to have reached your intellectual (in)capacity again!

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 4, 09, 10:15 / #
I'd wager that I know Gdansk old town just a touch better than you sokrates, what with me actually having lived in Gdansk old town for a year. Next you'll be telling me how the architecture of Wroclaw is classical Polish....

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Edited by: Sokrates Jul 4, 09, 10:25 / #
sjam: ... you seem to have reached your intellectual (in)capacity again! Then respond to what you've seen, Polish town hall built on orders of the Polish king, developed on the orders of several other Polish kings, the armoury, the priests house, the granaries but like i said and i stand by it, you're an anti-Polish bastard who will ignore anything that doesnt fit, you've asked for examples of Polish architecture i provided them and more so i can shut you up for good :)))) http://www.mmtrojmiasto.pl/rep/meeting/3876.3.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Golden_Gate_i n_Gda%C5%84sk.PNG/180px-Golden_Gate_in_Gda%C5%84sk.PNG No reinventions, Polish renessaince and baroq in its full glory :)))) Of course you wouldnt respond to these examples since you were hellbent on claiming Poles never built anything in Gdańsk when in fact the majority of surviving architecture is Polish built, but hey always glad to make you look as stupid biased and prejudiced as you are :)))) Oh one of my favorites http://www.wrotapomorza.pl/res/kultura/zabytki/wybrane_zabytki/kosciol y/gda__sk_kaplica_kr__lewska1__fot.d.hryszkiewicz.jpg Royal chapel. And some more: http://www.bank-zdjec.com/foto5/13458_b.jpg http://www.elmarco.pl/cms/spaw_images/siteimages1/wielki-mlyn-gdansk-2 004.jpg No Polish architecture indeed :))) And since i enjoy making you look like an idiot, Polish "Kamienice" built by Shuter http://gfx.lumisfera.pl/media/photos/3789/70834.5.jpg

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jul 4, 09, 10:42 / #
sjam: Are there any particular great examples of classic Polish architecture that were not re-interpreted during reconstruction after the war? Care to take back your statement now?:)))))

sjamThreads: 5 Posts: 1,016 Joined: Jan 13, 09	Edited by: sjam Jul 4, 09, 11:08 / #
Sokrates: you're an anti-Polish bastard who will ignore anything that doesnt fit, you've asked for examples of Polish architecture i provided them and more so i can shut you up for good :)))) I have emboldened the point of my question which you have failed to grasp: sjam: Are there any particular great examples of classic Polish architecture that were not re-interpreted during reconstruction after the war? Sokrates: No reinventions, Polish renessaince and baroq in its full glory :)))) Of course you wouldnt respond to these examples since you were hellbent on claiming Poles never built anything in Gdańsk when in fact the majority of surviving architecture is Polish built, but hey always glad to make you look as stupid biased and prejudiced as you are :)))) Perhaps you can show me in my question where I claimed Poles never built anything in Gdańsk? It should be simple, even for you, as up until then I had only made the one post in this thread? If you find where I claimed Poles never built anything in Gdańsk I promise to give up murdering Polish babies for at least a month! Sokrates: No Polish architecture indeed :))) Where also did I say "No Polish architecture"? sjam: Are there any particular great examples of classic Polish architecture that were not re-interpreted during reconstruction after the war? I asked for examples of great Polish architecture that were not re-interpreted during reconstruction after the war—a few examples—'The Old Town' in Warsaw was not a straight replication of its pre-war architecture it was re-interpreted along the lines of previous centuries skyline, the same for ul. Bednarska in Warsaw—only the front sections were rebuilt not the "wings' of the buildings. also St. John's Cathedral was not rebuilt in its pre-war style but a much earlier period was it not? You see (though probably not!) great architecture re-interpreted during reconsruction! Gdańsk suffered extensive damage during WWII so my question was equally; what great architecture remains in Gdańsk that is free of architectural re-interpretation during post-war reconstruction? Sokrates: but hey always glad to make you look as stupid biased and prejudiced as you are :)))) So you did. Sokrates: anti-Polish K*nt Sokrates: you're an anti-Polish b@stard .....as I said you seem to have reached the limit or your intellectual (in)capacity again!

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jul 4, 09, 11:19 / #
sjam: Are there any particular great examples of classic Polish architecture that were not re-interpreted during reconstruction after the war? Warsaw was not rebuilt fully or even partially and this is why there and only there in whole of Poland architects were allowed liberty in rebuilding, every brick you see in rebuilt structures is as it was in the available blueprints, pictures and postcards, Gdańsk suffered no "reinterpretations". sjam: I asked for examples of great Polish architecture that wasn't re-interpreted during reconstruct after Gdańsk is as it was before the war as far as rebuilt structures are concerned, Warsaw is another issue entirely and i wouldnt bring it to any discussion about architecture since it wasnt rebuilt as it was before the war, not even partially. sjam: Gdańsk suffered extensive damage during WWII so my question was equally; what great architecture remains in Gdańsk that is free of architectural re-interpretation during post-war reconstruction? All major landmarks is your annswer, there is a significant number of houses both hanzeatic and Polish styles that have been constructed plain or with few decorations and the remainder has been painted over to match pre-war patterns but apart from that Gdańsk next to Kraków has one of the largest examples of Polish architecture, both rebuilt and wholy intact so implying that Gdańsk has barely any Polish architecture is rather silly.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 4, 09, 11:42 / #
Every brick is as it was on the blueprint?! Dear boy, you really do talk a huge amount of rubbish! Just out of interest, what language were those blueprints in?

sjamThreads: 5 Posts: 1,016 Joined: Jan 13, 09	Jul 4, 09, 14:46 / #
Sokrates: Warsaw was not rebuilt fully or even partially and this is why there and only there in whole of Poland architects were allowed liberty in rebuilding, every brick you see in rebuilt structures is as it was in the available blueprints, pictures and postcards, Pre-WWII St.John's Cathedral, Warsaw. Post war reconstruction: Sure...... Sokrates: every brick you see in rebuilt structures is as it was in the available blueprints, pictures and postcards, Sokrates: i enjoy making you look like an idiot, Sure...... Sokrates: every brick you see in rebuilt structures is as it was Sokrates: so implying that Gdańsk has barely any Polish architecture is rather silly. Again please show where I was "implying that Gdańsk has barely any Polish architecture"? sjam: Are there any particular great examples of classic Polish architecture that were not re-interpreted during reconstruction after the war?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jul 4, 09, 18:01 / #
sjam: Pre-WWII St.John's Cathedral, Warsaw. I didnt post clearly enough, my fault, i was referring to Gdańsk as far as accuracy in regards to pre-war architecture. I completely agree that Warsaw was rebuilt only in places and even then shoddy, its a fugly city and thanks to our esteemed German neighbours what was once classified as the second or third most beatifull city in Europe is now bloody fugly. sjam: Again please show where I was "implying that Gdańsk has barely any Polish architecture"? Sjam its not your first day here, not your first post here either, we both know you posted knowing squat about the subject and being fully convinced there's not a Polish site in the city. sjam: Are there any particular great examples of classic Polish architecture that were not re-interpreted during reconstruction after the war? Well you got your particular examples, there's loads more too, i can even get you before and after photos, we did as good a job rebuilding as we did building, i completely agree about Warsaw though.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 4, 09, 19:26 / #
Pity that you've clearly never set foot inside a rebuilt Gdansk house. Personally I lived in one for a year.