Germany honours Nazi SS doctor linked to deaths of 900 children

Six decades after the end of World War II, it is a decision that will shock and sicken anyone with a conscience.

Despite being linked to the savage murder of 900 children in the Nazi death camps, a former SS doctor is to be awarded the German Federation of Internal Medicine's highest honour.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz May 30, 08, 00:24 / #
Germany honours Nazi SS doctor linked to deaths of 900 children in death camps http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1022346/Medal-murder-Germany-h onours-Nazi-SS-doctor-linked-deaths-900-children-death-camps.html Six decades after the end of World War II, it is a decision that will shock and sicken anyone with a conscience. Despite being linked to the savage murder of 900 children in the Nazi death camps, a former SS doctor is to be awarded the German Federation of Internal Medicine's highest honour.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	May 30, 08, 00:26 / #
oh sh.t. this isn't good for pl-ger relations.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	May 30, 08, 00:38 / #
you know skinheads are everywhere but GERMAN FEDERATION OF INTERNAL MEDICINE'S giving highest honour for SS doctor ...

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	May 30, 08, 00:40 / #
kind of says something about german doctors eh? why don't they just rename the medal "mengela"

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz May 30, 08, 01:42 / #
IMO durring our lifes we are going to see a lot of blood in europe. I am 100% sure.

King SobieskiThreads: 7 Posts: 1,106 Joined: Jan 22, 07	May 30, 08, 02:41 / #
Lukasz: IMO durring our lifes we are going to see a lot of blood in europe. I am 100% sure. who between??

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz May 30, 08, 02:51 / #
King Sobieski: who between?? 40% of kids under 15 in german cities have immigrant origin. There is enourmous tension between native Germans and immigrants. and German elites honour SS doctor form Nazi camp. I am sure that we are going to see much more blood.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	May 30, 08, 10:12 / #
Sickening,disgracefull but just goes to show how much was swept under the carpet in the name of "de nazification",its pretty much an open secret the post war west germanies highest offices were often held by nazi criminals. As a side issue,why wernt those friggin nuns prosecuted as well?Evil b itches!

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy May 30, 08, 10:27 / #
That a german gov would do that surprises me! You must remember this is the land where it is forbidden to teach your dog the Hitler greeting just for fun... Interesting! Here some more infor (in german) URL

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	May 30, 08, 11:00 / #
Would you agree though that of all the regional governments in post war germany Bavaria's was the one most riddled with former nazis and fellow travelers?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy May 30, 08, 11:06 / #
Of course! The Amis weren't much interested any longer in de-nazification since they quickly learned that they could only run their zone with capable and skilled men...and everybody and their mother had been a member of the NSDAP..and for all important positions it was compulsive to be a party member! So, when you wanted to avoid a catastrophe or having to feed millions from army stuff you better employed Nazis! And the de-nazification ala west was laughable at best....you had to fill out a form where you stated that you did nothing wrong, brought some witnesses...in some cases you had to go before a commission and answer directly....that was it!

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	May 30, 08, 11:14 / #
Unfortunatly though,as a cold policy it worked pretty darn well didnt it.Witness the amazing recovery of Germany in a few short years compared to ,ahem,certain other countries we could mention where ALL members of a certain nasty party were kicked out of positions of influence....(OK,de Ba'athification of iraq...)

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,949 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern May 30, 08, 13:45 / #
Bratwurst Boy: The Amis weren't much interested any longer in de-nazification Yes,this is true.Only Soviets in Eastern Germany handled seriously the denazification. Many german marshals in the first days of Bundeswehr were former officers of Wehrmacht. I read some german archives and it seemed that doctors in nazi Germany had made a whole lot of discoveries.They were the first to make experiments with humans under high barometric pressures like these developed when the plane moves with supersonic speed.The Americans took all the papers,studied them and then wrote some survey about pressures effects on humans with no reference to any sources.USAF used the results of this survey.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy May 30, 08, 13:59 / #
southern: Only Soviets in Eastern Germany handled seriously the denazification. Not really, no... They too were interested in re-building their zone...or at least not further detoriating it. And everything was forgotten as the cold war started....now it was also a fight as in "my zone is better than your zone"...or..."The people in my zone are happier and better germans than the people in your zone!" The soviet variant was just another name for the new "peoples party"...instead of NSDAP you now had to subscribe to the SED and you had your de-nazification too... You could find MANY ex-Nazis now in the new party...and there wasn't much change if you think about it...uniforms (even for the children), marching, flag waving....it was easy for most Nazis!

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy May 30, 08, 11:20 / #
You have a point! There are already voices comparing both situations and coming to the conclustion the "de-baathification" was an error and that they should have used also Baath-party members for helping to run Iraq and that this would have avoided the current situation....

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	May 30, 08, 12:45 / #
so many strange situations in Germany ...

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,949 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern May 30, 08, 14:05 / #
Bratwurst Boy: MANY ex-Nazis now in the new party Von Paulus was an example.He turned to be a bloodyheart commie. Anyway I think there was serious brainwash on former NSDAP members by commies and the ones who did not give in were sent to special camps. The Americans tried to propmote Entnazifizierung by showing nazi brutalities in concentration camps on Jews,however to their surprise the audience not only did not feel remorse but it often burst out in laughter watching the torments of Jews.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy May 30, 08, 14:07 / #
southern: He turned to be a bloodyheart commie He said what the russians wanted to hear! He forgot to be honorable at Stalingrad and he never knew how to be a honorable POW...a man without any honor! When you really want to know a honorable german soldier read the bio of Erich Hartmann, the german ace of the aces...he NEVER caved in! amazon.com/Blond-Knight-Germany-Raymond-Toliver/dp/0830681892

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,949 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern May 30, 08, 14:12 / #
Bratwurst Boy: He forgot to be honorable at Stalingrad and he never knew how to be a honorable POW...a man without any honor! Yes,contrary to his subordinate Schmidt who was captured together in Stalingrad and came back to Germany after 12 years without regretting anything despite the constant pressure of Soviets for a statement.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	May 30, 08, 17:30 / #
Bratwurst Boy: He forgot to be honorable at Stalingrad and he never knew how to be a honorable POW...a man without any honor! Bollox,he did what he saw was the right thing at the time,that was to save the lives of over a hundred thousand of his men rather than throw them away in a pointless fight to the death....of course with hindsight the fate of the POWs was probably worse than a quick bullet in battle or a snooze in the snow.....

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	May 30, 08, 17:38 / #
isthatu2: that was to save the lives of over a hundred thousand of his men rather than throw them away in a pointless fight to the death.... Are you saying that 900 children were going to take out over 100,000 men?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	May 30, 08, 17:46 / #
The guy was a murderer but was he coerced? That makes a difference. Not everyone had the bravery of Schindler

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	May 30, 08, 17:47 / #
celinski: Are you saying that 900 children were going to take out over 100,000 men? Carol,Im afraid you are doing a classic "Carol", endearingly missing the point by about 3 thousand miles :) Von Paulus was the senior german commander at the Battle of Stalingrad......as far as Im aware NOT a nazi or indead a doctor :) (dont complain,he and his men were fighting your favourite bogey men the Red Army ;) )

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	May 30, 08, 17:49 / #
And how exactly did these kids die?

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	Edited by: isthatu2 May 30, 08, 17:49 / #
Seanus: The guy was a murderer but was he coerced? That makes a difference. Not everyone had the bravery of Schindler In short,no chance,these Doctors (and all the nurses ,nuns etc ) who were involved in the nazi euthenasia programs were very willing particepents in these crimes.Many of them Im sure held strong beliefs that theye were in someway "doing the kind thing" and putting these kids out of percieved misery.....if you think about it,its only a small ish step from that to aborting babies who have Downs syndrome...... Seanus: And how exactly did these kids die? you on the sauce again tonight S' ? ;) The kids were a seperate issue to the side topic of von paulus and have no connection... The kids were generaly injected with phenolbarbitol(?)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	May 30, 08, 17:53 / #
He was linked to the deaths. Where's the proof?

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	May 30, 08, 17:57 / #
His signature on the tansfer orders...Seunus,seriously,Im a bit worse for wear..:) either click on the link which Im sure will tell you or just google nazi euthenasia programe,its friggin chilling stuff though...parents would send off there slightly disabled(ie sometimes even a gammy leg or cleft pallete could be enough to condeme them) kids to what was described to them as respite centers or sanitariums for the kids to have a nice time in the country,a few weeks later they would recieve a telegrams and the kiddies ashes with a note saying died of influenza or some such BS story.

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	May 30, 08, 18:28 / #
celinski: I can't see 50 nun's not telling the truth. And lets face it blaming the nun's can't help. Carol,why cant you see nuns involved in the cover up? witness the sex scandel in the US catholic church,one huge cover up. ,And why not hold the nuns responsible for their part in atrocities? If nuns had shot Polish officers you wouldnt give them a free pass would you so why let them off for their parts in the murder of thousands of disabled children and adults?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	May 30, 08, 18:48 / #
lol silence for 50 years. isthatu2: Carol,why cant you see nuns involved in the cover up? Dr. Sewering's statements so outraged the nuns that they broke a 50 year period of silence to refute Dr. Sewering http://www.badnazidoctor.com/cse_sewering_rise.html

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08	May 30, 08, 18:55 / #
celinski: they broke a 50 year period of silence so your saying they were involved in a cover up for 50 years.....or just that they were from some vow of silence order who also couldnt write stuff down?