germany prepares for invasion of Poland

[...]Article II. In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement of the areas belonging to the Polish State, the spheres of influence of Germany and the U.S.S.R. shall be bounded approximately by the line of the rivers Narev, Vistula and San.

The question of whether the interests of both parties make desirable the maintenance of an independent Polish State and how such a state should be bounded can only be definitely determined in the course of further political developments.

In any event both Governments will resolve this question by means of a friendly agreement.[...]

Moscow, August 23, 1939.

For the Government of the German Reich

v. Ribbentrop

Plenipotentiary of the Government of the U.S.S.R.

V. Molotov

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06	May 7, 08, 23:20 / #
At noon, despite threats of British and French intervention, Nazi leader Adolf Hitler signs an order to attack Poland, and German forces move to the frontier. That evening, Nazi S.S. troops wearing Polish uniforms staged a phony invasion of Germany, damaging several minor installations on the German side of the border. They also left behind a handful of dead German prisoners in Polish uniforms to serve as further evidence of the alleged Polish attack, which Nazi propagandists publicized as an unforgivable act of aggression. I knew that germany attacked Poland , but I never knew about the above phony invasion of Germany by germans to start the war!

King SobieskiThreads: 7 Posts: 1,106 Joined: Jan 22, 07	May 7, 08, 23:24 / #
this link was posted in another thread ages ago, hard to read due to the web page but neverless some interesting stuff: http://felsztyn.tripod.com/germaninvasion/index.html

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07	May 7, 08, 23:25 / #
http://www.polishforums.com/happened_danzig_corridor_poles-34_21702_0. html

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06	May 7, 08, 23:36 / #
Patrycja19: some interesting stuff: Thanks.. :) sorry guys,, i try to not post double or make a thread twice,, so thnks plk for bringin that up.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	May 8, 08, 03:46 / #
More info: http://www.muzeum.gliwice.pl/en/radiostacja/ A full description of the attack by its leader Alfred Helmut Naujocks is near the bottom of this page yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/12-20-45.htm

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,949 Joined: May 17, 07	May 8, 08, 04:30 / #
Patrycja19: That evening, Nazi S.S. troops wearing Polish uniforms staged a phony invasion of Germany, damaging several minor installations on the German side of the border. They also left behind a handful of dead German prisoners in Polish uniforms to serve as further evidence of the alleged Polish attack, which Nazi propagandists publicized as an unforgivable act of aggression. Provocation.How do you think most wars start even today?

IronsE11Threads: 2 Posts: 799 Joined: Mar 3, 08	Edited by: IronsE11 May 8, 08, 04:55 / #
Cleverest plan since the Emms Telegram. Bismarck = Greatest German ever (Possibly with the exception of Beckenbauer) FACT

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Feb 5, 09, 20:52 / #
Invasion of Poland

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Feb 5, 09, 21:09 / #

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Feb 5, 09, 21:21 / #
Manno....olle kamellen...I came running over thinking it was news! :)

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Feb 5, 09, 22:33 / #
They did the same in Gliwice. They dressed up as Polish officers and confused them. Came running over, LOL, that was funny.

Ozi DanThreads: 22 Posts: 552 Joined: Nov 22, 07	Feb 8, 09, 11:10 / #
McCoy: McCoy Thanks for the great images mate - very poignant. Much appreciated, as I haven't seen quite a few of them before.

Foreigner4Threads: 22 Posts: 1,984 Joined: Nov 18, 07	Feb 8, 09, 11:42 / #
Patrycja19: but I never knew about the above phony invasion of Germany by germans to start the war! how could you not? I thought this was on a standard knowledge test that all Poles had to pass. Hmm then you probably have never heard about the Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Ajax, Lavon Affair, and Operation Northwoods- you got lots of reading to do.

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Edited by: wildrover Feb 8, 09, 14:37 / #
Bratwurst Boy: ...I came running over thinking it was news! I just had some Germans from a Landrover club invade my farm....but it was all very friendly...and after lots of Polish beer they surrendered...Great pictures by the way...

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Edited by: 1jola Feb 9, 09, 14:59 / #
McCoy, Thanks for including pics of the happy meeting between NKVD and Werhmacht in Brześć on 22 September 1939. Patrycja probably thought the Soviets were allies too. Education continues.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,756 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Edited by: McCoy Feb 9, 09, 15:17 / #
your welcome. Text of the Nazi-Soviet Pact: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/pact.htm excerpt: [...]Article II. In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement of the areas belonging to the Polish State, the spheres of influence of Germany and the U.S.S.R. shall be bounded approximately by the line of the rivers Narev, Vistula and San. The question of whether the interests of both parties make desirable the maintenance of an independent Polish State and how such a state should be bounded can only be definitely determined in the course of further political developments. In any event both Governments will resolve this question by means of a friendly agreement.[...] Moscow, August 23, 1939. For the Government of the German Reich v. Ribbentrop Plenipotentiary of the Government of the U.S.S.R. V. Molotov

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Feb 9, 09, 20:18 / #
It's also nice to remember their get togethers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo-NKVD_Conferences

Lir	Feb 9, 09, 21:02 / #
Thank you for posting the pictures McCoy :)

sjamThreads: 5 Posts: 1,016 Joined: Jan 13, 09	Feb 10, 09, 16:21 / #
Did the Soviet's maintain an emabassy or consulate in Warsaw during this time?

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Feb 10, 09, 21:48 / #
If you mean during the German invasion, then yes. The Soviet ambassador left Poland on 12 September 1939 in preparation of the Soviet invasion. On 17 September, USSR passed a note(not accepted) stating the ceasing of the Polish state.

Lotnik767Threads: 6 Posts: 210 Joined: Nov 12, 08	Feb 10, 09, 22:12 / #
Russians and Germans what pigs they are!! We will never forget history!!

Filios1Threads: 15 Posts: 1,953 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Feb 10, 09, 22:14 / #
DOWN WITH GERMANY! DOWN WITH RUSSIA! POLSKA! ONLY POLSKA! DO BOJU! Give me one good reason to give my life for you, dear old Polska..

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Feb 10, 09, 22:22 / #
Lotnik767: We will never forget history!! Sounds funny...are you planning to leave the EU soon?

PolskaManThreads: 3 Posts: 177 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Feb 10, 09, 22:28 / #
russians and germans have always been making fun of Poles getting beaten German forces were surrendering and crying to Poles during the Warsaw uprising they gtt owned by a force smaller and badly equipted. In 1920 we sent the russians crying and begging for mercy in the Battle Of Warsaw Who should be made fun of now?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Feb 10, 09, 22:53 / #
PolskaMan: German forces were surrendering and crying to Poles during the Warsaw uprising they gtt owned by a force smaller and badly equipted. Erm...AFTER they surrendered and cried to Poles: Following the surrender of Polish forces on 2 October, German troops systematically burned the city block by block, leveling another 35% of the town. PolskaMan..who taught you history?

PolskaManThreads: 3 Posts: 177 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Edited by: PolskaMan Feb 10, 09, 23:29 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Following the surrender of Polish forces on 2 October, German troops systematically burned the city block by block, leveling another 35% of the town. Dude stay on topic Books taught me history not the computer or my neo nazi friends [well yours anyways]

JulietEchoThreads: 3 Posts: 129 Joined: Jul 14, 08	Feb 11, 09, 00:55 / #
Lotnik767: Russians and Germans what pigs they are!! We will never forget history!! - Maybe its time to take some past due medication...? Who says that WE have to forget something? Why are you insulting all Germans and Russians?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Feb 12, 09, 15:38 / #
PolskaMan: russians and germans have always been making fun of Poles getting beat It is rather sad when you look at both Nazi and Russia having to try to take out Poland. Wouldn't that be the same as a man with a gun fighting a man with his hands tied behind his back?

MrBubblesThreads: 13 Posts: 768 Joined: Nov 13, 07	Feb 12, 09, 16:26 / #
PolskaMan: In 1920 we sent the russians crying and begging for mercy in the Battle Of Warsaw Who should be made fun of now? Ahem - who partitioned whom, exactly?

PolskaManThreads: 3 Posts: 177 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Edited by: PolskaMan Feb 12, 09, 21:37 / #
celinski: Wouldn't that be the same as a man with a gun fighting a man with his hands tied behind his back? Yes it would every war in the 20th centuary involving Poland wasnt started by Poland meaning we were always caught by suprise some people say was prepared for ww2 we only knew there was going to be an attack 2 days before the invasion,what can you do in 2 days? To the guy above Poland was partitioned by prussia russia and asutria