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Inisignia of the Polish Air Force aircraft



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The present insignia is white and red checker board. It was first used in 1918 but then order of colours was inverted in 1993. Why? Also who invented the symbol?


Polish Airforce
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Look here...

Air Force checkerboard
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Thank you, I just came across this information myself after I posted the thread. What still makes me wonder is whether there is a person who we know is an inventor of the symbol. Apparently Polish have taken the idea from other nation's air forces but what one originally? I'm only curious as from what I know not every air force's insignia is a checkerboard...
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jump_bunny:
is whether there is a person who we know is an inventor of the symbol

Don't know the answer to that but there seem to be a lot more written in the Polish version of that site and perhaps there is something there?

I like the artwork on this Polish Fighter jet. It is not standard insignia of course.
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Svenski:
I like the artwork on this Polish Fighter jet. It is not standard insignia of course.

judging by aircraft that would be my last choice
Kosciuszko's squadron - symbol of fight with Russian oppression
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Svenski:
a lot more written in the Polish version of that site and perhaps there is something there?

I keep looking!
Svenski:
I like the artwork on this Polish Fighter jet. It is not standard insignia of course.

It still has checkerboard on it's ruders. Looks like MiG29A, correct me if I'm wrong! I'm quite new to this.
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Del boy:
judging by aircraft that would be my last choice

Yep, The Polish Air Force now has several F-16s. I have seen a couple of them here on test flights around Ft. Worth (Texas) before they were delivered to Poland. They are also replacing their old Russian transports with American C-130s.

jump_bunny:
Looks like MiG29A

Yes, its a MIG29-UB (2 seater version) ..a holdover from the old days.
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Svenski:
Yep, The Polish Air Force now has several F-16s.

48 of them I believe!
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'our' Migs 29 were delivered without module to recognize alien-friend objects in radar. Great, thanks to our 'supporters' Russians. Just like nice car without sat nav
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Del boy:
delivered without

Wonder what's missing (or added) to the F-16s .. lol
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is your new boyfriend a Polish pilot ? :)

or a pontius pilate ?
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Svenski:
They are also replacing their old Russian transports with American C-130s.

Used American C-130s. And with parts & servicing costs so high that it would have been cheaper to just buy brand new Ukrainian planes!
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Harry yes, better buy Ukrainian Antonovs, great SUVs
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Harry:
Used...parts & servicing costs so high

Yes.. theres a lot of $$$ to be made there..for US aircraft manufacturers and parts suppliers ;-) especially because of all the defense $$ cuts here in the US. Lockheed relies a lot on foreign orders in order to survive.
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Harry yes, better buy Ukrainian Antonovs, great SUVs

There is just one Antonov225 in use in Ukrainian airlines. (Unless you meant the other versions). It's ridiculously big, something only Russians could invent! I thought they only use it to carry helicopters, tanks or whatever.

Del boy:
jump_bunny
is your new boyfriend a Polish pilot ? :)

Yes.
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Wonder what's missing (or added) to the F-16s .. lol

we ve got a spare wheel on the back :)
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Wonder what's missing (or added) to the F-16s .. lol

One thing that's missing is a warantee, so all the repairs are done at the expense of the Polish tax payer. Also missing is a proper IT system. Currently, all of the flight details, including fuel consumption, are recorded in an Excel spreadsheet. One other problem is that the avionics don't work properly....
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I would pay double price to Yankees than a 'fair' price to Russkies
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It's ridiculously big

Yes..it's the world's largest (flyable) airplane..

Mriya
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Svenski:
Yes..it's the world's largest (flyable) airplane..

Mriya

It's a real monster! Can carry 247 tons.
Wingspan 88.40 m
Lenght 84 m
Height 18.10
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Can carry 247 tons

Yes..thats like a bus full of folks from America ;-) Just kidding!!!



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jump_bunny:
There is just one Antonov225 in use in Ukrainian airlines

The second commercial version of this a/c is due to enter service 2010.

Harry:
Also missing is a proper IT system.

The C-130s that the Polish Air Force have taken delivery of are ex USAF refurbished C-130Es. As such they have an analogue avionics suite. So far the only C-130s to possess digital avionics are the J version and USAF Special Ops variants.

Harry:
One thing that's missing is a warantee, so all the repairs are done at the expense of the Polish tax payer

This is because the Polish government failed, as it did with the 48 Block 52+ F-16s, to negotiate a manitenance contract as part of the procurement process. Normal practice is to include, initially, a maintenance contract until sufficient air force technicians have been trained to perform front-line maint.

Harry:
One other problem is that the avionics don't work properly....

Probaly because these aircraft have yet to be fitted out in their operational configuration. Although I would add that they were flown across the pond and "handed over" to the Polish Air Force at Ramstein AFB, Germany on the 27/03/2009 and subsequently flown to Poland.

Del boy:
'our' Migs 29 were delivered without module to recognize alien-friend objects in radar

IFF Identification Friend or Foe. :) Handy bit of kit to have if you don't want to be shot down by your own side. ;)

jump_bunny:
48 of them I believe!

The last 3 were dielivered in Dec last year.
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Svenski:
Svenski

I'm sure you have seen videos of it's take off. I would love to see it live! It was in Poland twice, who knows maybe will come again sometime?!
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I'm sure you have seen videos of it's take off. I would love to see it live!

Yes I have..there's a lot of them out there on YouTube and some aviation forums. Would love to see it live too but I don't think it will be coming to Dallas anytime soon..lol
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Svenski:
I don't think it will be coming to Dallas anytime soon..lol

Can you actually find any information about where Antonov goes in the near future? I guess not ha ha.
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Can you actually find any information about where Antonov goes in the near future?

Maybe here? ;-)

Antonov contacts

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Polish F-16 maintenance deal


Pooled NATO C-17

Poland will get a chance to get some hands on experience with this advanced transport (C-17)
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First link does not work properly, I think it's better to just go to main page first and then click contacts. Thank you Svenski!
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Why? Also who invented the symbol?

The red and white checkers were first used in early C17 as husaria pennants in a similar fashion. I think I read somewhere that the colours represent sky (white) and earth (red) with a religious connotation but I can't recall the exact meaning.

Harry:
warantee

Warranty - couldn't resist old boy ;-)
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