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Józef Zachariasz Bem - does anyone know anything special about him?



Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34
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  Mar 11, 09, 23:27 /  #
Ive heard from some hungarians that he is Poland&Hungary's national hero, somebody know anything special about him? I heard he fought at a bridge and it was composed a song about him or a poem

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  Mar 11, 09, 23:55 /  #
I found some info about him on this site... ohio.edu/chastain/ac/bem.htm
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  Mar 12, 09, 06:01 /  #
Here is what the WikiPedia has to say about him; a Hungarian, yet a Polish general...Click on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Bem

Bem

Józef Zachariasz Bem
Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34
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  Mar 16, 09, 10:13 /  #
Thanks! But I hoped moslty that a Hungarian could tell me something special :)
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Edited by: 1jola   Mar 16, 09, 11:59 /  #
Bem was a great general.
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  Mar 16, 09, 12:13 /  #
joepilsudski:
Here is what the WikiPedia has to say about him; a Hungarian, yet a Polish general

read carefully. wikipedia doesnt say that he was hungarian it just gives hungarian version of his name. bem was polish
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  Mar 16, 09, 12:24 /  #
Bem was a citizen of Tarnow, Poland. He fought for the Polish and Hungarian armies with great distinction. There is a street named after him, and a statue has been erected in the shopping street of Walova in Tarnow.
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  Mar 17, 09, 02:51 /  #
McCoy:
Read carefully. wikipedia doesnt say that he was hungarian it just gives hungarian version of his name. bem was polish

You're right.
Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34
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  Mar 18, 09, 11:46 /  #
So no Hungarian roots at all? Just been there?
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  Mar 18, 09, 21:59 /  #
Mr Grunwald:
So no Hungarian roots at all? Just been there?

He was very successful general of Hungarian army. He wished Poland regain its independence and thus he wanted to destroy Habsburg's monarchy. While national Hungarian state would serve as a regional example of the state.
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  Apr 26, 09, 01:52 /  #
Is he a decendent of your family?
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  Apr 26, 09, 05:08 /  #
Cyprian Kamil Norwid (more about him below) wrote a very deeply descriptive poem dedicated to general Bem.


Cyprian Kamil Norwid, a.k.a. Cyprian Konstanty Norwid (September 24, 1821– May 23, 1883) is a nationally esteemed Polish poet, dramatist, painter, and sculptor. He was born in the Masovian village of Laskowo-Głuchy near Warsaw. Norwid is regarded as one of the second generation of romantics. He wrote many well-known poems including Fortepian Szopena ("Chopin's Piano"), Moja piosnka [II] ("My Song [II]") and Bema pamięci żałobny-rapsod ("A Funeral Rhapsody in Memory of General Bem"). Norwid led a tragic and often poverty-stricken life (once he had to live in a cemetery crypt). He experienced increasing health problems, unrequited love, harsh critical reviews, and increasing social isolation. He lived abroad most of his life, especially in London and in Paris, where he died.

The poem was sang by my beloved Czesio Niemen. It still gives me the chills when i listen to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yWnInAK1Lw

Full version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od3NPfci5Fs
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  Apr 27, 09, 00:12 /  #
I would really like to know what he is saying. Know where I can get English translation?
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Edited by: McCoy   Apr 27, 09, 00:38 /  #
Mournful Rhapsody In Memoriam of Bem

Shadow, why do you depart, your broken hands upon your breastplate
Near the torches which with sparks surround your knees
The sword, green with laurel, and spattered with the candle-tears of your people
The eagle darts forward and your horse lifts his hoof like a dancer
Pennants are waving, fluttering against each other
Like the tents of an army encampment in the sky
Trumpets tremble in their weeping and banners
Bow from above with lowered wings
Like dragons, lizards, and birds pierced with spears
As the many ideas which with spears you have reached

Mourning women go, some lifting up their arms
The sweet smelling hay out of their hands the wind tears
Some, into conches gather the tears escaping from their faces
Some, search for the road, even though it was made centuries ago
Others, hurl upon the earth large clay dishes
Whose clutter in breaking brings still greater despair

Boys hit against hatchets, azure from the sky
Upon shields, rust-coloured from the light, pound servile minions
A giant banner, which in the smoke waves
With its tip against the arches of heaven leans

They enter a trench and sink…surface in the light of the moon
And they darken against the sky; a cold glow grazes them
And on their blades a star, as if unable to fall, is reflected
The chant suddenly quiets and once again splashes out like a wave

Onward-Onward-until the grave must be entered
And lurking beyond the road, we shall behold a black chasm
Past which humanity will never find a way
Your steed with a lance we shall pierce, as with an old spur

And we shall drag on the funeral procession, saddening sleeping cities
Banging upon gates with urns, whistling into the notches of hatchets
Until the walls of Jericho fall like logs
Fainting hearts shall be revived; nations will remove the mold from their eyes


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  Apr 27, 09, 00:55 /  #
What do I know without googling?

He was a Polish general who made his name during 1831 November Uprising. His unit of rocket launchers halted the Russian advance at the battle of Ostrołęka and saved the retreating Polish army.
He took part in Hungarian Rising of 1848, the Spring of Nations, and successfully commanded the Hungarian Army against Austrian occupational forces, until Russians invaded to help Austrians.
Next he moved to Turkey and converted to Islam.

The tomb with Bem`s ashes is in Tarnów, his birthplace, I saw it visiting my girlfriend in uni times.
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Beautiful place.

Bem was put on Polish banknotes in early 1980s, communist times.
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Edited by: pielegniarka   Apr 27, 09, 01:14 /  #
Oh, thank you. Do you have any information about his parents?

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