Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose?

freebird:

ask thousands or maybe even millions of Poles immigrating every year to another countries. I consider those actually as good people who realize what or who they're running from. I could imagine, one of the reasons at least for some people is having to deal with some smart mouth post communists like you sokrates. For most Poles people like you must be a disgrace for Poland. You stand for what many Poles were hoping to be a wiped out dark age in a Polish history but seeing that nothing has really changed, they prefer to look for a real freedom somewhere else.

aphrodisiacThreads: 19 Posts: 3,907 Joined: Apr 15, 09	Jun 13, 09, 18:59 / #
Sokrates: Siege, impaling, heavy cavalry charge, artillery barrage, serfdom! Sokrates Member Threads: 5 Posts: 1295 Joined: Jan 19, 09 and what is the use of it now, providing that what is saying is true?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 13, 09, 19:04 / #
Ironside: Poland between 1921-1939 considering starting point it was a great success! Well...they sucked! Nationalism ruled, minorities suffered...Poland invaded other countries, had two wars, got overrun and destroyed in the latter...and all that in such a short time! When you call that success.. Ironside: Ok, tell me please about Polish economical achievements anytime before 1989 Heh:) After the Kopernikus-formular Grabski was russian and Lusasiewicz was austrian :) (And Gdynia was long time prussian) :):):)

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jun 13, 09, 19:08 / #
aphrodisiac: and what is the use of it now, providing that what is saying is true? yep, this is how I see it too, Jimi Hendrix is dead, Janis Joplin , Einstein too, the world is simply unjust ;-)

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 13, 09, 19:41 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Nationalism ruled, minorities suffered...Poland invaded other countries, had two wars, got overrun and destroyed in the latter...and all that in such a short time! When you call that success.. This is our part of the world due to partition of Poland others were playing here and its takes time for them to get use to the idea they cannot do as they please! Anyway BB we discussing here economics !!! freebird: After the Kopernikus-formular Grabski was russian and Lusasiewicz was austrian :) Its not Copernicus formula but true of his times!!!Its different in XIX century were modern nationalism was born! Grabski Polish PM and Minister? Lukasiewicz- Are Austrians claim him as one of they own? BB are you smoking weed? Bratwurst Boy: (And Gdynia was long time prussian) :):):) Sure village with 1000 souls - Poland build from scratch port and town after 1918 did you know that?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 13, 09, 19:53 / #
Smith was the founder of modern economics, Ironside. He was widely regarded as being so. Developed enough to provide a vast array of opportunities? Look at the Jews, early days. They were poor before WWII (in Poland). They had to make opportunities for themselves to reach prominent positions.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 13, 09, 20:24 / #
Ironside: BB are you smoking weed? looks for hidden camera

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 13, 09, 22:09 / #
Seanus: Smith was the founder of modern economics, Ironside. He was widely regarded as being so. Theory seems not working, and economics is a bit sinister occupation, better to be fortune teller, credit crunch....))))) Grabski tested his skills in action! Smith I know all about him ..... Seanus: Developed enough to provide a vast array of opportunities? Look at the Jews, early days. They were poor before WWII (in Poland). They had to make opportunities for themselves to reach prominent positions. Given time, yes, it was all going into a good direction, sadly I cannot say it about modern Poland.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 13, 09, 22:13 / #
What's wrong with modern Poland in an economic context, Ironside? Poland has taken the impact of the crisis quite well.

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 13, 09, 22:57 / #
Seanus: What's wrong with modern Poland in an economic context, Ironside? Poland has taken the impact of the crisis quite well. Because Poland economy is in permanent crisis..... there is no such a thing as square crisis, isn't?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 13, 09, 23:02 / #
A GDP growth of 1.2%, down from 1.5%, can hardly be described as a crisis, Ironside. Poland is still shaping up well and I have plenty figures to support that claim.

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Edited by: Ironside Jun 13, 09, 23:55 / #
Seanus: What "financial system" do you feel you are lacking? Control over a large chunk of the banking system. Seanus: I agree with you about the wages being disproportionate to the cost of living but that's been a constant in Polish life. Well, its abnormal ...and bad for economy!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 13, 09, 23:58 / #
Tusk has that option, Ironside. Why do you think that he hasn't chosen it? It is abnormal. You lose workers and vital skills. Also, people spend less, therefore contributing less to the economy.

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Edited by: Ironside Jun 14, 09, 00:21 / #
Seanus: It is abnormal. You lose workers and vital skills. Also, people spend less, therefore contributing less to the economy. bingo! Seanus: Tusk has that option, Ironside. Why do you think that he hasn't chosen it? Don't know! My guess either he couldn't for reasons unknown to the public, or he wasn't even considering it! I believe the later to be true as political system in Poland is set to promote self serving bastards! Succession of Soviet occupation and KGB)))))

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 14, 09, 00:40 / #
Tusk is just waiting for the right moment to sell Poland off down the river. Signing the missile shield was a laugh. If security was such a pressing issue, why isn't the shield deal being followed through? It's all politics, that's why! NATO hound that man.

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 13, 09, 23:30 / #
Seanus: A GDP growth of 1.2%, down from 1.5%, can hardly be described as a crisis, Ironside. Poland is still shaping up well and I have plenty figures to support that claim. not as well as it could be ...... I don't think being economy without heavy industry, research and financial system of our own is good! And costs of living close to EU average but wages pitifully small - what good about it and who is getting a difference ....

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 13, 09, 23:38 / #
I agree with you about the wages being disproportionate to the cost of living but that's been a constant in Polish life. Ironside, another factor that you may not have considered has been the loss of investor confidence. A downturn was inevitable but can you really say that the Polish economy is anywhere near a recession like in Britain? The EU has provided many new research opportunities for Poles. The key is knowing how to access them. What "financial system" do you feel you are lacking?

kostushaThreads: 1 Posts: 4 Joined: May 30, 09	Jun 14, 09, 01:38 / #
Well, here comes the "Liberal" American point of view on all of this ethnic quarelling. Both sets of my grandparents were Poles...emigrated in the early 1900's. They brought with them, rightly so, many angry feelings for the Germans, the Russians Jewish people, in my Catholic grandparents' view, were saviors because they provided the money for people to leave Poland when the Germans, Austrians, and Russians occupied it prior to WWI. Also, my grandparents were much less anti-Semetic than my parents. My gerandparents railed against the Russians and the Germans...both of my grandfathers were draft dodgers...one from the Russian army the other from the German army. My parents and I lived with my maternal grandparents until I was five. The town in America was a Polish village. We went to a Polish Catholic Church. My preschool was run in the church basemenbt by Polish Felician nuns. I went to grammar school at a Polish Catholic school. When I began working at 18, I was shocked that everyone wasn't Catholic and that I was an American, not a Pole. All people, whatever their history, have been enslaved somewhere along the line. Living in a country that has been overrun hard for Americans to understand, because many Americans are removed from their heritage. Having grown up with grandparents who told their stories, and from reading history, I understand that being born in America is a gift. However, I feel that I am a Pole having been born here under very lucky circumstances. As individuals, as higher thinking beings, we need to look at and understand that most people don't want conflict. It's those of us who seek power for power's sake who throw so many of us into conflict. As human beings, we need to stop this...what we need to do is get rid of the people who rise to power by intimidation, murder and terrorism. Just some thoughts...

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 14, 09, 03:32 / #
kostusha: As human beings, we need to stop this...what we need to do is get rid of the people who rise to power by intimidation, murder and terrorism. That means that we need to wipe out entire Middle East Israel included :-)

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Jun 14, 09, 03:42 / #
Sokrates: That means that we need to wipe out entire Middle East Israel included :-) With your brain yes, with mine... Ill convince everyone of the evil bastardards that production of nucelar bombs are twice as effective on the southpole! Then all of em will travel there, instead they will find out that my secret conspiracy troops from all kind of rascist countries shoots em until they fall under the ice and get's cold! Btw to the topic, Poland before if Polands neighbours don't have any troubles in making it happen if not, it's just dreaming and hoping that what we have now is better for the future afterall.

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jun 14, 09, 07:25 / #
Mr Grunwald: Then all of em will travel there, instead they will find out that my secret conspiracy troops from all kind of rascist countries shoots em until they fall under the ice and get's cold! Take your time and say it again please so we'll all know what you're trying to express.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 14, 09, 17:15 / #
freebird: Take your time and say it again please so we'll all know what you're trying to express. Well America is pretty high up there next to China and Iran, personally i'm torn between Iran which while a backwards shitehole doenst invade anyone or Israel who made a country on other peoples land and US which invades oil rich countries on ********* reason, still dont know which is worse.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Edited by: ZIMMY Jun 14, 09, 20:43 / #
Nathan: we get beautiful wheat harvest out of your cavalry with pigeon wings and artillerated asses. Actually, Ukrainian soil is quite rich. Much of this is due to the enormous amount of super methane that is expelled by certain Ukies. This super manure settles and nourishes the soil.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,181 Joined: May 28, 09	Jun 14, 09, 22:10 / #
Sokrates: US which invades oil rich countries on ********* reason, We don't invade oil rich countries on a whim. The only one we invaded was Iraq. Afghanistan doesn't have much oil, if any. They have opium poppies.

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jun 15, 09, 01:29 / #
Sokrates: still dont know which is worse. ask thousands or maybe even millions of Poles immigrating every year to another countries. I consider those actually as good people who realize what or who they're running from. I could imagine, one of the reasons at least for some people is having to deal with some smart mouth post communists like you sokrates. For most Poles people like you must be a disgrace for Poland. You stand for what many Poles were hoping to be a wiped out dark age in a Polish history but seeing that nothing has really changed, they prefer to look for a real freedom somewhere else.

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 15, 09, 01:38 / #
freebird: ask thousands or maybe even millions of Poles immigrating every year to another countries. I consider those actually as good people who realize what or who they're running from. I could imagine, one of the reasons at least for some people is having to deal with some smart mouth post communists like you sokrates. For most Poles people like you must be a disgrace for Poland. You stand for what many Poles were hoping to be a wiped out dark age in a Polish history but seeing that nothing has really changed, they prefer to look for a real freedom somewhere else. What a heck are you talking about? Anybody understand that mambo-jumbo?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 15, 09, 02:57 / #
Ironside: ask thousands or maybe even millions of Poles immigrating every year to another countries. Milions of Poles! You do realise you humiliate yourself with every such post? :)))

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 15, 09, 03:07 / #
Sokrates: Milions of Poles! You do realise you humiliate yourself with every such post? :))) Remove my name from the quote Sokrates as I didn't say it ....please

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 15, 09, 03:27 / #
Freebird: ask thousands or maybe even millions of Poles immigrating every year to another countries. Sokrates: Milions of Poles! You do realise you humiliate yourself with every such post? :))) Sorry IS that was totally my mistake.

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jun 15, 09, 04:25 / #
Ironside: What a heck are you talking about? you see, you've spent so much money for language schools in Poland and you still haven't learned anything, too bad. Something's telling me that actually it's your limited ability to learn and not the schools fault. Sokrates: You do realise you humiliate yourself with every such post? :))) why, because I'm saying what for many people on this forum is already obvious or it should be at least? lol.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 15, 09, 10:54 / #
freebird: you see, you've spent so much money for language schools in Poland and you still haven't learned anything, No the problem is that you keep spouting increasingly offensive gibberish when people ridicule your uneducated views on virtually every matter you touch. freebird: or it should be at least? Why? Because its your opinion? Just because you keep producing nonsence doesnt mean people have to humor you, if you act like an idiot be prepared to being treated as one. Ps. Poland is a country of 38 something milion people so your statement about "millions leaving" is well... stupid? Of course there's actually pros to people leaving Poland, decreased unemployement, increased flow of cash sent back to Poland and many of them will eventually return but you're happily unaware of anything remotely connected to actuall facts :)))