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IronsideThreads: 56
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  Jun 15, 09, 15:25 /  #
freebird:
you see, you've spent so much money for language schools in Poland and you still haven't learned anything, too bad. Something's telling me that actually it's your limited ability to learn and not the schools fault.

you make me laugh )))))))

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Edited by: freebird   Jun 15, 09, 15:34 /  #
Sokrates:
gibberish

you wish your "gibberish" was as good as mine
Like I told you, you're a joke "sokrates the great" "sokrates the wise"
lmao
Sokrates:
if you act like an idiot be prepared to being treated as one.

exactly, this is what I'm saying, you wise sokrates. Quit acting like an idiot sokrates and I might change my opinion about you.
Ironside:
you make me laugh )))))))

well, something positive about our conversation, you don't understand me (and not only me) most of times but it makes you happy. Everyone deserves to be happy at least sometimes. You guys (sokrates obviously too) keep me loughing all the time and I'm seriously grateful for that :-)
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  Jun 15, 09, 15:55 /  #
freebird:
you wish your "gibberish" was as good as mine

))))))
freebird:
well, something positive about our conversation, you don't understand me (and not only me) most of times but it makes you happy. Everyone deserves to be happy at least sometimes. You guys (sokrates obviously too) keep me loughing all the time and I'm seriously grateful for that :-)

I didn't understand you until now (only you)!!!
Your welcome, keep laughing all the time and don't forget your medications!
Happy hours ))))
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Edited by: freebird   Jun 15, 09, 16:24 /  #
Ironside:
))))))

are you saying you disagreeing with something obvious? lol
Ironside:
keep laughing all the time and don't forget your medications!

does it mean that loughing at you guys can make me sick? OK, it does hurt my belly from time to time, lol.
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  Jun 15, 09, 16:27 /  #
freebird:
are you saying you disagreeing with something obvious? lol

Nothing you wrote is obvious, they're just your uninformed opinions.
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  Jun 15, 09, 16:33 /  #
Sokrates:
Nothing you wrote is obvious

I told you before my "wise sokrates", I don't expect anything what I said, say or will say to be obvious to anyone of you guys. How could I dare to expect it from sokrates the wise and ironside the brave? lol
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  Jun 15, 09, 20:28 /  #
freebird:
does it mean that loughing at you guys can make me sick? OK, it does hurt my belly from time to time, lol.

You know exactly what it mean kiddo,but it was to test you))))))
freebird:
I told you before my "wise sokrates", I don't expect anything what I said, say or will say to be obvious to anyone of you guys. How could I dare to expect it from sokrates the wise and ironside the brave? lol

stop this nonsense ***bird , you have no clue about many things, you don't know how to debate, and you don't have skills required to present your arguments properly in your (I presume) first language)))))))))0
And what make matters worse you lecture others how stupid they are when you have no arguments!
I understand you now, you either retard or a kid(I think later) and I'm only telling you all this because there is chance you will learn something.
If you think that others on this forum are supporting you .......))))))))))))
There no more from me!
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Edited by: freebird   Jun 15, 09, 20:50 /  #
Ironside:
And what make matters worse you lecture others how stupid they are

actually only you and the wiseman
Ironside:
(I think later)

please don't, waste of time
Ironside:
There no more from me!

yes it will be because you're just a little "brave ironside" who can't change his attitude. Ironside the fighter, lol.
It won't take long and your smart brother sokrates will join you in this hopeless for you both fight so carry on you brothers in arms.
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Edited by: aphrodisiac   Jun 15, 09, 21:09 /  #
freebird:
ask thousands or maybe even millions of Poles immigrating every year to another countries. I consider those actually as good people who realize what or who they're running from. I could imagine, one of the reasons at least for some people is having to deal with some smart mouth post communists like you sokrates. For most Poles people like you must be a disgrace for Poland. You stand for what many Poles were hoping to be a wiped out dark age in a Polish history but seeing that nothing has really changed, they prefer to look for a real freedom somewhere else.

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so true. I did that myself:). Well, there were of course other reasons but the particular attitude of some of Polish people which is presented by some of the posters here is no joke. Running is the best option for some, since there is no room for any kind of dialog with some people.
however, sokrates and the likes are the minority I believe. entertaining at first, boring later and annoying at the end.
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  Jun 15, 09, 21:14 /  #
No land in the West can replace such culturally significant Polish cities as Lwów and Wilno.

It really is hard to comprehend the barbarity of the “Ukraine’s” when one looks east, such savagery.
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  Jun 15, 09, 21:26 /  #
aphrodisiac:
Running is the best option for some, since there is no room for any kind of dialog with some people.

run bunny run ......))))))
You seems to understand what ***bird meant - would you care to enlighten me?
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Edited by: aphrodisiac   Jun 15, 09, 21:31 /  #
Ironside:
You seems to understand what ***bird meant - would you care to enlighten me?

Well, I would have to write an essay and I would rather let freebird explain it to you. That is if you are really interested.

Somehow I think that you are not ready. Freebird does not seem to be emotionally attached to Poland unlike yourself and that makes a huge difference. He is taking a more objective position, therefore I am able to understand him better. He is also more realistic about what Poland can or cannot do. You are a little bit sentimental, with a lot of wishful thinking which is probably related to the Poland's past. It is all nice but in a long run there is a higher chance that you might set your self for being dissapointed, because you are not paying enough attentions to facts. I am speculating here and speaking in general, but I think I am pretty close to describing what I have observed reading some of your posts. Therefore, the is little room for a dialog with some Polish people. Close minds could be very frustrating to deal with.
got myself of this one;)
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Edited by: Ironside   Jun 15, 09, 21:37 /  #
aphrodisiac:
Well, I would have to write an essay and I would rather let freebird explain it to you. That is if you are really interested.

but I'm and I asked ***bird for explanation but he only were mocking me.....
If you're offended because I called you moron, I'm sorry but I find it inappropriate to laugh at the expense of the fallen Polish soldiers......

aphrodisiac:
Somehow I think that you are not ready.

try me!
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Edited by: aphrodisiac   Jun 15, 09, 21:39 /  #
Ironside:
try me!

I edited my post, so look above;), I just spoke in general terms.

But you can ask me for more explanations if you like.
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Edited by: freebird   Jun 15, 09, 21:55 /  #
Ironside:
explanation

how much more explanation do you need Ironside? I've been saying over and over again how I feel about things and presenting websites to back up my point but you guys kept coming back with your bull**it and tried to ridicule me just because I disagree with the way you both think about Polish and German history. If you both kept our discussion on acceptable level, we wouldn't have to run this battle.
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  Jun 15, 09, 21:58 /  #
aphrodisiac:
But you can ask me for more explanations if you like.

Well, I do..... about ***bird post and yours as well because you are right its a very general!

aphrodisiac:
Somehow I think that you are not ready. Freebird does not seem to be emotionally attached to Poland unlike yourself and that makes a huge difference. He is taking a more objective position, therefore I am able to understand him better. He is also more realistic about what Poland can or cannot do. You are a little bit sentimental, with a lot of wishful thinking which is probably related to the Poland's past.

***bird may well be emotionally detached from Poland but it doesn't make his opinions better ?

Realistic ?
Are you talking about Lwów?
Whats realistic, I know pretty well that Poland wont get back Lwów overnight )))))
But if some aim is not possible to achieve tomorrow or next year its that mean we cannot talk about it?
I'm sentimental about my country but it doesn't mean I'm not realistic - maybe more so then yourself!!
How 26 years old Sokrates is post communist bastard?- quote ***bird !
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Edited by: freebird   Jun 15, 09, 22:11 /  #
Ironside:
Ironside

I told you "ironside the brave" will be back, he just can't quit "fighting" and making himself look worse than ever before.

You see ironside, I gave you a chance for normal conversation just a second ago (look above) but you obviously refused it. You don't deserve a second chance.


To be continued after the break, lol
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Edited by: aphrodisiac   Jun 15, 09, 22:15 /  #
Ironside:
***bird may well be emotionally detached from Poland but it doesn't make his opinions better ?

I never said that it was. I happen to agree with his way of thinking more then with yours. It is just the way it is.
As for being less attached emotionally, I think it actually helps to think in a logical way. Just my opinion. I think I already explained that:).
Ironside:
Realistic ?
Are you talking about Lwów?
Whats realistic, I know pretty well that Poland wont get back Lwów overnight )))))

that is just an example. As far as I know Lvow, or any other cities which used to belong to Poland are on another's countries territory. Correct me if I am wrong. How you going to bring those cities back? do you have a plan: A,B,C. You need to have a strategy:).
Ironside:
But if some aim is not possible to achieve tomorrow or next year its that mean we cannot talk about it?

sure you can talk about it, but you need to stay within the reality of facts.
Ironside:
I'm sentimental about my country but it doesn't mean I'm not realistic - maybe more so then yourself!!

I would not know and I would not want this exchange of ideas to become a competition. I wish Poland all the best but I also know that there is a lot of room for improvement in many areas and this is what young people should concentrate on, instead of dreaming about : I wish we had Lvow/Wilno and so on. This is not a main stream of the Polish foreign policies either, so it does sound really strange to me.
Ironside:
How 26 years old Sokrates is post communist bastard?- quote ***bird !

Well, he have heard it at home for sure. Most children follow their parent's political views.
Again, with so many young people still making other countries their home, how can one even imagine invading Ukraine? Or any other country for that matter. Poland is not a military empire/ nor an economic one
I am done here. I think I made my point very clear.
PS. calling your opponent names in the discussion is just not classy at all and you might want to reconsider, since you don't present yourself as a serious partner.
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  Jun 15, 09, 22:19 /  #
freebird:
You see ironside, I gave you a chance for normal conversation just a second ago (look above) but you obviously refused it. You don't deserve a second chance.

You obviously didn't understand "There no more from me" read - There no more from me to you freebrid!
So, your "second chance" .....simply doesn't apply !

aphrodisiac:


I meant no offense !
I'm direct ))))
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Edited by: Moderator   Jun 15, 09, 22:23 /  #
Ironside:
I meant no offense !
I'm direct ))))

sure, but keep your cools and try to be more open to the opinion of others.

Back on topic everyone please...
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Edited by: Ironside   Jun 15, 09, 22:46 /  #
aphrodisiac:
that is just an example. As far as I know Lvow, or any other cities which used to belong to Poland are on another's countries territory. Correct me if I am wrong. How you going to bring those cities back? do you have a plan: A,B,C. You need to have a strategy:).

First I need consensus :::
aphrodisiac:
sure you can talk about it, but you need to stay within the reality of facts.

Was there any lie or fantasy ?
aphrodisiac:
I would not know and I would not want this exchange of ideas to become a competition. I wish Poland all the best but I also know that there is a lot of room for improvement in many areas and this is what young people should concentrate on, instead of dreaming about : I wish we had Lvow/Wilno and so on. This is not a main stream of the Polish foreign policies either, so it does sound really strange to me.

Its obvious that some thing in Poland are priority, whats more it is impossible to do anything in the foreign matters before setting things right in Poland - it goes without saying !
Sound strange? Thats another reason to talk about it
- as communism castrated Poles - do you think anyone before a war or better still in 1956 would say - lets forget about Lwów and Wilno?

aphrodisiac:
Again, with so many young people still making other countries their home, how can one even imagine invading Ukraine? Or any other country for that matter. Poland is not a military empire/ nor an economic one

oh boy ! Don't you think I'm not aware of that?
I wasn't talking about plans to invade another country )))))) I was talking about our rights to those territories!
Thank You for your time!
But you still haven't explained to me post by bird!?
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy   Jun 15, 09, 23:32 /  #
Ironside:
I wasn't talking about plans to invade another country )))))) I was talking about our rights to those territories!

So why talking about things you can't change anyhow?

Poles get very nervous about one little woman called Steinbach and she isn't even talking about "rights" but only remembrance.

What should the Ukrainians think or feel listening to Poles talking like you Iron?
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Edited by: Ironside   Jun 15, 09, 23:43 /  #
Bratwurst Boy:
What should the Ukrainians think or feel listening to Poles talking like you Iron?

Should admit that such right exists ))))))))
Because its true !

People are not nervous, politician are making most of it in accord with Germans newspaper.
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  Jun 16, 09, 00:16 /  #
Ironside:
Should admit that such right exists ))))))))
Because its true !

And then?
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  Jun 16, 09, 05:38 /  #
Well this is obviously a tough question my ancestors came from areas like Tarnapol which is now in Ukraine. But the new areas gained from the Germans had better infrastructure and more industry. So Poland now is probably the best shape its been in since the Polish-Lithuanian Empire.
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Edited by: freebird   Jun 16, 09, 05:57 /  #
Ironside:
Should admit that such right exists ))))))))
Because its true !

you mean like the rights for Germans to claim Danzig, Ostpreussen,
Pommern and Schlesien?

SRK85:
But the new areas gained from the Germans had better infrastructure and more industry

you're absolutely right about that :-)
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  Jun 16, 09, 06:08 /  #
freebird:
you mean like the rights for Germans to claim Danzig, Ostpreussen,
Pommern and Schlesien?

freebird, are you a am german?
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  Jun 16, 09, 06:43 /  #
PlasticPole:
freebird, are you a am german?

I tell you something PlasticPole. I'm a numismatist (I'm collecting old coins, especially the ones from Danzig) so obviously it means I love history and I read many books about my favorite subject and after what I have read about it and also after what I have experienced on my own visiting both countries Poland and Germany, I'm absolutely convinced that the territories I've mentioned above rightly belong to Germany. What I'm not saying is that Poles have to give it back to the Germans. I'm not expecting you guys to share my opinion, all I want from Poles is to admit that these territories used to be German and at the same time I want you to enjoy this beautiful piece of land being Polish now. What's so tough about that? I mean you have it, no one will take it away from you, just admit that before 1945 it wasn't yours. It's like winning a $1000.oo from you playing poker. You had the money and I won it so it's mine now. Simple is that.
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  Jun 16, 09, 10:45 /  #
freebird:
you mean like the rights for Germans to claim Danzig, Ostpreussen,
Pommern and Schlesien?

freebird:
I love history

How can you love history if you dont know it?:) You're claiming that Germans have rights to historically Polish or Czech regions?:)))))))
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  Jun 16, 09, 11:23 /  #
Sokrates, you haven't refuted what I put to you. Namely that Bolesław Chrobry didn't win the territory in AD 997. He fought for it but the Prussians were just too strong and they didn't relinquish control.

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