Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose?

It's not all Polish but it belongs to Poland now and they get to keep it :D

Like many cities it is a mixture of different cultures.

Chauvinistic Poles denying any german history and achievements in these territories and towns are the problem!

I don't deny there is a German influence, but there is a Polish one too. You guys gotta share and take credit, both.

WWII was started to get it all back! What now?

But most was taken already after WWI...

WWII was started to get it all back! What now?

Without the Germans your Gdansk would have sh*it to show off!

I know I know in your eyes Poles sh'ites gold but reality is very much different. No need to get your balls everytime in a twist when a non-pole tells some facts.

They were Germans bread and born as a loyal subjects of Polish King and part of Kingdom of Poland, so no point dwell about it BB!

you lost all rights and you should be happy that German state exist at all (greatfull to Fate or God).

It the same way Germans from Gdansk were so successful because of opportunities given by Polish Kingdom and protection provided by King of Poland !!!

but the way you were treating people in the taken lands - you lost all rights

I think Ironside and Sokrates should look at Przemysl on your map.

I will tell you something freebird I know more about history then you ever will!

I don't know what you are trying to prove here ?

YES! BEFORE 1945 DISCUSSED LANDS WERE GERMAN!

although there were population of Scots and Poles and others as Kingdom was multi ethnic)

became German in the years after 1793

but about historical rights and according to that Poland had rights to Gdansk!

most of Gdańsk development was our job

Germans came and took over an already developed city.

We've built Gdańsk, we've developed it, you came relatively late and took it over, selling Gdańsk as a German success is a blatant chauvinistic lie.

moron,

you just learned something you little redneck

Anything else you want to learn or do you prefer to stay in your little barn and continue to spam idiocy?

you ignore the sources

Danzig got rich because of being a member of the Hanse (not a polish invention either).

It was Germans who get things done! :)

Wanna compare the lists of famous german and famous polish Danziger Sokrates???

It's not all Polish but it belongs to Poland now and they get to keep it :D

Oh the teritory at the time was in reality Prussian, the city of Gdańsk however was Polish, a Polish city built in Prussian teritory, as to how it was possible? Prusowie were tribals, there was no united front against the Polish expansion, Poland built cities and settled entire regions but the majority of the place was definitely Prussian.

Lviv and Przemysl belonged to Lithuania from 1200. Lithuania and Poland united through marriage peacfully so Poland gained Lwow and Przemysl peacfully - and not by force.
Have you finished renovating Lviv yet?!! I want to visit.

In case you didn't get the point, THAT isn't the problem.
Chauvinistic Poles denying any german history and achievements in these territories and towns are the problem!
You can bombard them with facts till they get blue they still will only repeat the same bull because the reality is hard to handle.

the modern day borders were drawn up by Stalin not the Polish people

I believe Poland always had the right to the Danzig/Gdansk corridor.

You didn't do much with it during your polish times, didn't you....:)
Danzig is famous for their successful german sons and daughters, had their big time because of the german founded Hanse (as did many other towns along the Baltic), is admired for german architecture...
Just don't let it rot as the Russians did with the pearl Königsberg once was too under german rule, promised?

So you mean that if Norway didn't expulse the Hansaets in Bergen it would been German?

No, he said that thanks to the Hanseats and etc it was prospering also they were North German tradesmen. So he practicly thinks that any city with dominated Hanseatian colture means Germans city, wich is faar from reality.

This is what you've learned about it, it's fine with me as long as you accept the fact that there are other people who have completely different opinion about it.

The problem is Danzig/Gdansk changed hands so many times its hard to say who are the rightful heirs to it. It was originally Polish, then Prussian, then German, and then Polish again. Also before ww2 the German population was about 96% which could have been because the Germans forced the Poles out.

It was originally Polish,

Danzig got rich because of being a member of the Hanse (not a polish invention either).

PS: Yes Danzig is Gdansk now but to show off tourists the old, famous, beautiful Danzig and to say it's all polish is just a lie and everybody who has just an inkling of history knows that, period!

Without the Germans your Gdansk would have sh*it to show off!

Polish...everything

Sorry BB but since Poland is no longer a communist country and our voice is going to be heard louder and louder you're going to have to come to grips with a lot of uncomfortable things

Polish concentration camps

The Polish government called the prison "Miejsce Odosobnienia w Berezie Kartuskiej" ("Place of Isolation at Bereza Kartuska"). From the facility's inception, the Sanation regime's opponents openly criticized the legal basis for its establishment and operation, calling it a "concentration camp." This term was later popularized by communist propaganda,[11]

.... A number of modern non-Soviet sources have also characterized the facility as a concentration camp, including Yale University professor Timothy Snyder, the Library of Congress, and the Polish Nobel prize-winning author Czesław Miłosz.[13][14]

.... Polish-British historian Tadeusz Piotrowski who also calls it a concentration camp notes that the establishment of the facility was a norm of its times, similar to camps established by Americans for Japanese during WWII, by Canadians for Ukrainians during WWI, and – as also noted by Norman Davies – on a much smaller scale than those projects (not to mention the giant German or Soviet networks of concentration camps).[10][17]

Do you mean Bereza Kartuska?

Right on cue you two shills pop up. What a surprise.

You call your drivel a debate? I'm surprised you haven't mention Polish anti-semitism, but it's morning so you still are warming up. Hard day's work is ahead of you, gotta earn those shekels.

Right on cue you two shills pop up. What a surprise.

So we can now safely say that you have nothing at all to say about: Polish collaboration with the nazis; Polish communism; Poland not being betrayed by the UK in WWII; Poland stabbing its Ukrainian allies in the back and stealing half of their country.

But then you have nothing to say about how you have the gall to claim that you're a Polish patriot when you spent years ready to bomb Poland anytime your paymasters told you to.

Harry:
Polish concentration camps
Do you mean Bereza Kartuska?

I don't "claim" to be a patriot; it's natural to love your country. How does one explain that to someone like you who doesn't have one?

the country that gives shelter to a stateless midget like you.

it's natural to love your country

Wow, there seems to be nothing impossible for Poles. I even begin to suspect Pompei and Rome as well were built by Poles within Roman empire, while the Romans were living in palm trees watching as your anscestors were raising the cities ;)

Although I believe Poland always had the right to the Danzig/Gdansk corridor

and still do in Europe. Lost both WWI and WWII and being #4 richest country in the World. What does it tell you, you "wise sokrates" What have you achieved in that time? Yes you're achieving now a little but only with the cash floating from western Europe.

I think that even in the tombs many of them will turn over to disturb a dog's peaceful pissing on their graves in the morning silence.
They just can't handle the truth.

So you mean that if Norway didn't expulse the Hansaets in Bergen it would been German? Faen ta deg tjukkas

The Hanseatic League (also known as the Hansa) was an alliance of trading cities and their guilds that established and maintained a trade monopoly along the coast of Northern Europe, from the Baltic to the North Sea and inland, during the Late Middle Ages and early modern period (c.13th–17th centuries).

Also before ww2 the German population was about 96% which could have been because the Germans forced the Poles out.

Of course there's plenty of beatifull buildings by Germans, you added greatly to the city but you didnt make it what it was or what it is, i'm opposing selling it as a German achievement thats all.

The history of printing in Poland began in the late 15th century, when following the creation of the Gutenberg Bible in 1455, printers from Western Europe spread the new craft abroad.

The Polish capital at the time was in Kraków, where scholars, artists and merchants from Western Europe had already been present. Other cities which were part of the Polish kingdom followed later.
Cities of northern Polish province of Royal Prussia.[1], like the Hanseatic League city of Danzig (Gdansk), had established printing houses early on.

The first printing shop was possibly opened in Cracow (Kraków) by Augsburg-based Günther Zainer in 1465.

It was just a minor mistake in 150 years on Polish part and as always it was a peaceful conquest. ;) Actually some Polish chronicles testify seeing God in the sky showing them the Promised Land in Ukrainian territories: "Burneth these barbaric people, o Greateth Polandeth, you will rejoiceth, O my belovedeth peaceful nationth" (A.D. 1340 by Rysiek the Monk, monastery of St. John the Pervert).

...But I didn't know that Fahrenheit (German physycist) was born and lived in Gdansk, too. His scale of temperature is used in the USA and... Jamaica now and 0F was the lowest temperature he once measured in Gdansk.

...Gdansk till 1945 was German city with only small Polish, Kashubian and Masurian minority.

I was taught quite different history at school in 1970' and 1980'. In totalitarian state, my teachers were forced to teach me fake history, that Gdansk was always Polish city with German minority which with huge support of imperialistic forces in the West...