Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose?

Sokrates:

Bloody hypocrite, the war started because my dysfunctional people who lived in their primitive militaristic society couldnt take defeat, Ukraine or no Ukraine we savages needed a victory to move on, we'd invade Bielorus' and Lithuania with or without Ukraine but hey we enjoy rewriting history dont we?

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon Jun 6, 09, 21:57 / #
sjam: The Berlin (Potsdam) Conference, July 17-August 2, 1945 I don't understand who gave for Soviets the right to take Polish compensation. Somebody gave money for wrong people. In my opinion Germany should pay for Poland and should debate with Russians about giving back money they wrongly gave them... As to History: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 6, 09, 22:05 / #
Salomon: IT IS POLISH AGAIN - it has nothing to do with Germany. It has been build by Poles after 1945. Hey...I never said differently! It's you who are denying the german past of towns like Danzig and Breslau. But alone looking at the long lists of the famous sons and daughters of these cities speak a clear language and show everybody what a loser you are! (Did you ever wonder about the huge list of famous Germans and the relatively small list of polish famous ones in these towns???) Did we just do more in less time??? :):):) You renovated them and had the good instinct to rebuild the original german architecture...now they are pearls again...we thank you for that! :) Salomon: In my opinion Germany should pay for Poland and should debate with Russians about giving back money they wrongly gave them... Oh we can talk about that..after you give the land and the towns back I'm sure we will find a compromise! :) But your idea that you can get both will stay a pathetic joke of yours...:(

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Jun 6, 09, 22:06 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Danzig became Polish by force Who originally founded Gdansk? Bratwurst Boy: Give the land and the towns back and we can talk about compensation First you'll have to negotiate the eastern Polish areas swallowed by Russia. How easily we forget (conveniently?) that the big powers negotiated away the territories after the war and Poland had no say in the matter.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 6, 09, 22:09 / #
ZIMMY: Who originally founded Gdansk? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gdansk ... In the 1st century AD, a new culture appeared in the area, called Willenberg-Kultur or now Wielbark culture. This culture is widely identified as the Gothiscandza (or Coast of the Goths) that was mentioned by Jordanes in the 6th century. Goths, one of the germanic tribes roaming what is now Poland as the Slavs wandered in these lands later than the germanic tribes... In these lands Germans lived for millennia ...well...till the ethnic cleansing by the Poles that is...

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon Jun 6, 09, 22:17 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Goths, one of the germanic tribes roaming what is now Poland as the Slavs wandered in these lands later than the germanic tribes...In these lands Germans lived for millennia ...well...till the ethnic cleansing by the Poles that is... This blood is in Polish blood... not in Germans who invaded Poland in later times :) Red Bratwurst Boy: You renovated them and had the good instinct to rebuild the original german architecture...now they are pearls again...we thank you for that! :) Bratwurst Boy: Oh we can talk about that..after you give the land and the towns back I'm sure we will find a compromise! :) If you won ... Poles would be on other side of Ural ... those with Gothic blood as well... You came to Poland to murder ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists You destroyed most of Polish cities...

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Jun 6, 09, 22:22 / #
Salomon: In my opinion German price for what they have done is to small. Brooding in your corner again??? To bad, better move on you are wasting your life!

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon Jun 6, 09, 22:24 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Brooding in your corner again??? To bad, better move on you are wasting your life! ... if German won ... Poles would share histroy with exterminated Polabian Slavs (current eastern Germany) ... maybe there would be 50 000 Polish miniority around Warszawa. As to Goths ... they have been looking for this blood in Poland.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Polish_children_by_Nazi_Ger many

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 6, 09, 22:31 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Oh and without the treaty which gave you a country and new unfair borders all these towns would still stand in old glory! What? Are you claiming that Polish-German border after WWI was unfair ? freebird: what do you mean by that, Gdansk was build by the Poles? It's mean that major part of the old town was build when Gdansk was a part of Polish Kingdom !

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 6, 09, 22:33 / #
ZIMMY: That settles it for me. How nice for you! Well...you better pack your bags and give Chicago and everything else back to the indians and move elsewhere. Germans lived in Danzig far longer than Europeans in America! Take a look at the famous people again...not many Poles there...not much polish anywhere! What did they do all the time as Danzig was "polish"??? Farting around and scratching their hairy a*sses?? But at least it's "settled" for you... Salomon: ... if German won ... Move on! Ironside: What? Are you claiming that Polish-German border after WWI was unfair ? Of course it was! The border drawing in Versailles was unfair for Millions of People...

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon Jun 6, 09, 22:40 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Move on! Oh yes ... Poles should move on ... and Germans should cry !!! Pure German way of thinking. So I am telling you. Gdańsk has been build by Poles after 1945. City was destroyed by Germans and Soviets... in 90%. It has nothing to do with Germans. What is more Germans murdered more Poles there durring WWII that they had in their false statistics before WWII. What is more this city has been founded by Mieszko... first ruler of Poland. Forget about this city ... oh in case of change in your demographics ... you can buy house there build in anny style you like ... but don't murder or expele Poles as it was in middle ages or WWII.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Jun 6, 09, 22:56 / #
What was the original name of the fortress, later city founded in the late 10th century? a)Milwaukee b)Danzig c)Seattle d)Schultzville e)Gdansk I think we have a winner. Who founded it? a) Uri Geller b}Sigmund Freud c)Wesley Snipes d)Ziggy Stardust e)Mieszko I Another winner.

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 6, 09, 23:31 / #
Nathan: So why do you bark about L'viv? L'viv was founded by Ukrainian king Danylo Halyckyj and cinvaded by Poland 100 years later in 1340. And with Gdansk you feel like saying "who was the owner originally" - hypocrisy, isn't it? Can you prove he was Ukrainian ?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 7, 09, 00:18 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Yeah...no wonder Germans lack compassion with the plight of the Poles... I dont really care for your compassion, if you start a war for pure ambition you need to be punished accordingly, taking the lands you have in turn taken from their rightfull owners generations before was the right thing to do. Post WW2 the right thing to do would be to sterilize your grandparents and all Germans so that your nation never got another chance and it was seriously considered along with making you a sheep shagging nation, you got away light with what you've done so dont whine.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 7, 09, 03:44 / #
Nathan: Calm down, Sokrates, I know that and I agree with you. ;) You're just bitter because your grandfather plowed the fields of my grandfather Nathan, dont worry we'll take over soon enough:)

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,243 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Jun 6, 09, 22:45 / #
Bratwurst Boy: you better pack your bags and give Chicago and everything else back to the indians and move elsewhere. Chicago's original settler was Jean Baptiste Pointe du Sable, a man of Haitian and French ancestry. Bratwurst Boy: Germans lived in Danzig far longer than Europeans in America! Non-sequitur, but I'll comment anyway. Since a Pole founded Gdansk in 997 it stands to reason that Poles lived in Gdansk "far longer than" Germans who came to live there later. As to German or Polish surnames, many Poles don't have Polish sounding names. Additionally, those with German last names were Polish on their mother's side. :)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Jun 6, 09, 22:54 / #
Salomon: So I am telling you. Move on! You are so yesterday...:)

IronsideThreads: 56 Posts: 6,196 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 6, 09, 22:58 / #
Bratwurst Boy: The border drawing in Versailles was unfair for Millions of People... well, that's not an answer, we can agree that for people which found themselves in the foreign country but border has to be somewhere. So ?

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon Jun 6, 09, 23:01 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Move on! You are so yesterday...:) I am not yestarday ... It is German propaganda to claim majors of Gdańsk form middle ages ... pomeranians, speaking pomeranian dialect ... and durring WWII or middle ages they were murdered or expeled as Poles (and they considered themsleves as such)... Gdańsk is Polish ... you can visit this city and watch how Poles rebuild it after 1945. There was no German architects involved in this construction. It has nothing to do with Germany. What is more this city was destroyed by Germans and Soviets durring WWII ... Germans expeled more Poles from this city (and documeted it ) than they had in their censuses before WWII. It seems that Gdańsk is one of the most Polish cities. BTW ... Goths were here long before surnames in Poland ... so this people had Polish surnames... when Germans came ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Polish_children_by_Nazi_Ger many

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Jun 6, 09, 23:05 / #
ZIMMY: Who originally founded Gdansk? So why do you bark about L'viv? L'viv was founded by Ukrainian king Danylo Halyckyj and invaded by Poland 100 years later in 1340. And with Gdansk you feel like saying "who was the owner originally" - hypocrisy, isn't it? ZIMMY: west than Gdansk but the point here is not who may have crossed an area but who founded it Exactly right, Zimmy. :) Remember your words and don't change them later. ZIMMY: The Polish port of Gdansk was founded in 997 by a non Goth named Mieszko. ZIMMY: Interesting that some Goths spoke a language that had little to do with German What language has to do with it? You started to pray in Polish only in 1960s, were you Latinian before that? ZIMMY: First you'll have to negotiate the eastern Polish areas swallowed by Russia. How easily we forget (conveniently?) that the big powers negotiated away the territories after the war and Poland had no say in the matter. What did Russians take from you - Kaliningrad? I thought it was Prussians as well - Koningsberg? If you mean again your fantasy about Ukrainian lands, read above.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 7, 09, 00:03 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Of course it was! The border drawing in Versailles was unfair for Millions of People... It was perfectly fair, we just needed to expel Germans then not after WW2.

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon Jun 7, 09, 00:05 / #
Oh well ... Lwów or Wilno are another cases which only show how much Polands opinion counted after WWII. but it is much different story ...

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 7, 09, 00:10 / #
Nathan: So why do you bark about L'viv? L'viv was founded by Ukrainian king Danylo Halyckyj and invaded by Poland 100 years later in 1340. And with Gdansk you feel like saying "who was the owner originally" - hypocrisy, isn't it? All hypocrits... Sokrates: It was perfectly fair, we just needed to expel Germans then not after WW2. Yeah...no wonder Germans lack compassion with the plight of the Poles... Salomon: Oh well Lwów or Wilno are another cases which only show how much Polands opinion counted after WWII. Isn't it always "another case" with the Poles? LOL Ironside: So ? As I said... Without the new borders for the newly build countries like Poland there hadn't been a war... But that's the past...there aren't anymore borders today too! :) Any German who wants to can now live again in the finely restaured old german towns of new Poland, thank you! :) listens to Lukasz whining and complaining :)

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon Jun 7, 09, 00:17 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Isn't it always "another case" with the Poles? LOL It is you who moan on wrong forum. So you should cry in conversations with deciders. Americans, Brits and Russians. Bratwurst Boy: But that's the past...there aren't anymore borders today too! :)Any German who wants to can now live again in the finely restaured old german towns of new Poland, thank you! :) You can buy house in Poland ... if you have enought money ... :-) BTW. Poland was raped, robbed and sold durring WWII. That is subject for another discussion.

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon Jun 7, 09, 00:31 / #
Making final conclusion. Poland was on loosers side after WWII. Poland lost 2 major cities with Polish majority before WWII. Milions of Polish people didn't receved compenations. Poland received some cities which belonged to Poland in the past and for which Poland had supported historical claims but ... they were ruined and destroyed. Now Polish former "allies" who sold Poland clean their hands and Poland has to struggle with Bratwurst like revisionists from Germany ...

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 7, 09, 00:38 / #
Bratwurst Boy: As I said... Without the new borders for the newly build countries like Poland there hadn't been a war... Bloody hypocrite, the war started because your dysfunctional people who lived in their primitive militaristic society couldnt take defeat, Poland or no Poland you savages needed a victory to move on, you'd invade Russia and France with or without Poland but hey you enjoy rewriting history dont you? YOUR PEOPLE are responsible for EVERYTHING you lost, NOT POLAND, NOT VERSAILLES, if you did not start your petty wars and elect nutters like hitler or bismarck but no, Germany cant work without a major war and then you come here and whine about how poor Nazi descendants suffer because we did not reward them for gassing milions. Good job calling us hypocrites.

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon Jun 7, 09, 00:43 / #
Sokrates: Bloody hypocrite, the war started because your dysfunctional people who lived in their primitive militaristic society couldnt take defeat, Poland or no Poland you savages needed a victory to move on, you'd invade Russia and France with or without Poland but hey you enjoy rewriting history dont you? Well German plans are well known Best seller from Germany: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf Mein Kampf, in English: My Struggle, is a book by Adolf Hitler. It combines elements of autobiography with an exposition of Hitler's political ideology. Volume 1 of Mein Kampf was published in 1925 It was bestseller in Germany, now Germans can try to talk about maniac whose plans weren't well known... They were well known... German wanted to murder half of europe... and they voted for it in elections. They votes "Lets kill people from neigbourhood countries"

SalomonThreads: 6 Posts: 602 Joined: Apr 7, 09	Edited by: Salomon Jun 7, 09, 00:58 / #
It is my sign for Bratwurs: Bratwurst Boy: But that's the past...there aren't anymore borders today too! :)Any German who wants to can now live again in the finely restaured old german towns of new Poland, thank you! :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loecknitz Since Poland joined the Schengen Agreement, the population of Löcknitz is growing, as rates and costs of land acquisition are lower than in Poland. Many commuters from Szczecin are living in Löcknitz

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jun 7, 09, 01:08 / #
Salomon: This wikipedia link haven't been written by Poles But also not by the Germans. Are you trying to say that history is only true if it's written by Polish people? Please tell me it's not what you really meant to say. C'mon man, lol.

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Jun 7, 09, 02:25 / #
Ironside: Can you prove he was Ukrainian ? Can you prove Mickiewicz was Polish or Napoleon was French? What about Mieszko or Plato? ;) Sokrates: Bloody hypocrite, the war started because my dysfunctional people who lived in their primitive militaristic society couldnt take defeat, Ukraine or no Ukraine we savages needed a victory to move on, we'd invade Bielorus' and Lithuania with or without Ukraine but hey we enjoy rewriting history dont we? Calm down, Sokrates, I know that and I agree with you. ;)