Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose?

Nathan:

It is not about sides, it is about facts.

Nathan:

UPA killed scum like some AK soldiers who were killing women and kids and tortured prisoners in concentration camps like Germans in WWll

Nathan:

Try to be more respectful, especially to ones who said nothing offending to you.

Nathan:

Everything that belonged to Kijevan Rus' should belong to Ukraine. France should be within 1812 borders. Germany should be with 1940 territories. Austrian should be in 1914 lands and so on... Do you mind? Were will you be? 4th partition - give me a break! ;)

Nathan:

We are independant and we don't need any chances. Go ahead ally with Russians. Nobody gives a fu*k. Anyway, from what I see on this forum, you will always be enemies and along the history line you always were in cohoots with Russians. I don't think anyone expects much from you, save a stab in the back (Riga 1920, Andrusiv Treaty 1667 etc.)

Sokrates:

many of Western politicians like Romano Prodi dont even consider you a part of European community

Sokrates:

at the moment not suitable for closer relations

Sokrates:

Ukraine as such has virtually no serious relationships

Sokrates:

if you people were smart you'd learn to love us as the third best thing after sex and vodka since we are THE key to your national well being.

Sokrates:

Actually you do, if only because no one else will support you and alone you're too weak to oppose Russia

Nathan:

I knew it! I felt that something is fishy here. Thanks, Prodi, now I know for sure that Ukrainians are living in Wonderland! Sh*t, these teachers of mine were lying all the time, bastards.

Nathan:

We want it so bad...closer relations. Ahh!..

Nathan:

Don't ya worry. We have some important partnerships and step by step Ukraine will be there. Again shove your "friendship" into your arse. ;)

Nathan:

You need this love badly, I know it, Sokrates, you dirty little monkey. Sorry, I am straight. :(

Sokrates:

the West would love to forget you exist, that Poland you hate so much prevents that

Sokrates:

Ukraine will not continue to be sovereign without Poland

Sokrates:

so apart from Poland who's going to reach out to you?

Sokrates:

we are a key to your sovereign existence

Ironside:

Well, Ukraine is divida in partes tres, so far we are talking with one part.
See maybe others Ukrainian have something different to say?

Nathan:

Trust me, Ironside, I am the only "part" that still has some interest to debate with you. Others wouldn't even bother to waste their keyboards on this BS.

Nathan:

Wow! Thank you, O Great Poland. Art blesseth Thee! ;)

Sokrates:

what country besides Poland has benevolent interests associated with Ukraine?

Sokrates:

Sarcasm aside tell me what country besides Poland has benevolent interests

osiol:

Russia probably thinks it does

Nathan:

What is benevolence? It is good will, correct? So how there can be benevolent interests?

Nathan:

kind business

Nathan:

And Poland likewise. You imagine yourself saviors of the world.

Nathan:

if such a thing is possible.

Nathan:

And Poland likewise.

Borrka:

We don't mean any form of confederation or "commonwealth".

Borrka:

Giving you some political support we do not expect anything in exchange.

Borrka:

It's a healthy political business.
Win win option

Borrka:

Stop discussing Danzig or Gdansk.

Sokrates:

I asked you a question Nathan, your country is absolutely alone in Europe, no one will support you in case of Russian agression

Sokrates:

looking for friends should be your major priority.

Sokrates:

who do you think will come help you against Russia or agressive EU economy?

Sokrates:

no one except Poland is interested in the very existence of your state

Sokrates:

No Nathan, an alliance with Russia would most likely end with you losing large parts of your country and having your economy drained leaving your country a 3rd world ruin, an alliance with Poland means economic ties, international recognition and significant leverage in defence of your interests on the international arena, a potential alliance with Poland can grant you things you could never have on your own and in exchange we get cheap labor force that can be easily polonised, a close military and economical partner.

Nathan:

If you don't expect anything, why is it win-win option and healthy political business? Stop pretending your arrogant heart explosions. ;)

Nathan:

Borrka, I think that you haven't read many posts

Nathan:

Who will support Poland in case of aggression? Haha. WWll - any clue? If it is necessary, everyone is disposable and your security is based solely on your abilities to survive.

Nathan:

Do you think Ukraine is interested in your existance or existance of any other country safe for football, tourism and business interests?

Nathan:

Who is talking about alliance with Russia?

Nathan:

Only strong economic development based on stable internal political environment is a key for my country to become an important voice in this world.

Nathan:

Till that moment enjoy your loving sarcastic arrogance.

Borrka:

Say Nathan what is wrong about Poland considering good relationship with Ukraine to be a strategic objective of our politics ?

Sokrates:

at this point you need allies, you cant afford isolationistic policies.

Sokrates:

Except at this moment you're unable to achieve it on your own.

Nathan:

You are an ally, what else do you need an award for that or something?

Nathan:

Thank you for help in past centuries.

Sokrates:

Oh come on, a few centuries of pacification and serfdom and you guys are so bitter, look at all the great things we introduced Ukraine to! Siege, impaling, heavy cavalry charge, artillery barrage, serfdom!

Nathan:

That's true. Ukrainian fields are rich because of Polish meat supply.

Sokrates:

Oh wait i forgot Ukraine is strong

freebird:

if you wouldn't get help from EU (mainly from Germany, UK and France) I wonder how strong Poland would be now, lol.

freebird:

if you wouldn't get help from EU (mainly from Germany, UK and France) I wonder how strong Poland would be now, lol.

Nathan:

That's true. Ukrainian fields are rich because of Polish meat supply.

Sokrates:

UK, France and Germany got where they are because of the Marshalls Plan so its not like Western Europe is so developed on its merry own,

Ironside:

Much stronger!!

freebird:

but you guys never had smart economist or politician and this a known fact too.

freebird:

They were destroyed during the WWII and this is the only reason why they even needed help. Poland was destroyed too but even before WWII wasn't very developed to begin with.

Sokrates:

What would you fight Poland with Nathan?

Pinching Pete:

Lol, Ukrainian strawberries are the best now. That must be the secret.

Ironside:

And riders had the same right to be there if no better

freebird:

They were destroyed during the WWII and this is the only reason why they even needed help. Poland was destroyed too but even before WWII wasn't very developed to begin with. This is my point!!!

freebird:

never was and never will be without someone elses help. Poland always had heroic soldiers, that's true (you might be one of them, your name sounds heroic :-) ) but you guys never had smart economist or politician and this a known fact too.

Ironside:

What do you mean developed?

Ironside:

I'm not heroic, far from it...

Ironside:

As for economist - not true.

Ironside:

president of USA

Nathan:

Lol, Ukrainian strawberries are the best now. That must be the secret.

Nathan:

Like Ukrainian Cossacks in past centuries had what to fight

Seanus:

Developed in terms of thriving industry, solid infrastructure and open trade with other countries perhaps??

Seanus:

Was Balcerowicz on a par with Adam Smith? ;0 ;)

freebird:

you come across heroic, you fight with determination anyone on this forum who doesn't feel or act Polish

freebird:

developed - being changed over time so as to be e.g. stronger or more complete or more successful;

freebird:

if you're talking about Obama or even Bush (especially the first one),

freebird:

Ok, tell me please about Polish economical achievements anytime before 1989

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,778 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 11, 09, 00:59 / #
Nathan: It is not about sides, it is about facts. you are naive))))) Nathan: UPA killed scum like some AK soldiers who were killing women and kids and tortured prisoners in concentration camps like Germans in WWll also you have been a brainwashed, I guess you can helped being so wrong! never the less you didn't condemned Wolyn massacre - it make you hypocrite and others can see what you really are.........! Nathan: Try to be more respectful, especially to ones who said nothing offending to you. YOU lecture me? Maybe try to justify ethnic cleansing, yet again and then lecture me some more? Nathan: Everything that belonged to Kijevan Rus' should belong to Ukraine. France should be within 1812 borders. Germany should be with 1940 territories. Austrian should be in 1914 lands and so on... Do you mind? Were will you be? 4th partition - give me a break! ;) Do you believe that you actually make same point in here ? If so, you are not very bright)))))) Nathan: We are independant and we don't need any chances. Go ahead ally with Russians. Nobody gives a fu*k. Anyway, from what I see on this forum, you will always be enemies and along the history line you always were in cohoots with Russians. I don't think anyone expects much from you, save a stab in the back (Riga 1920, Andrusiv Treaty 1667 etc.) Well, Ukraine is divida in partes tres, so far we are talking with one part. See maybe others Ukrainian have something different to say?

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Jun 11, 09, 01:24 / #
Sokrates: many of Western politicians like Romano Prodi dont even consider you a part of European community I knew it! I felt that something is fishy here. Thanks, Prodi, now I know for sure that Ukrainians are living in Wonderland! Sh*t, these teachers of mine were lying all the time, bastards. Sokrates: at the moment not suitable for closer relations We want it so bad...closer relations. Ahh!.. Sokrates: Ukraine as such has virtually no serious relationships No, Ukraine is in love, deep unconditional love with you..;) You are so romantic, Socrates. Sokrates: if you people were smart you'd learn to love us as the third best thing after sex and vodka since we are THE key to your national well being. You need this love badly, I know it, Sokrates, you dirty little monkey. Sorry, I am straight. :( Sokrates: Actually you do, if only because no one else will support you and alone you're too weak to oppose Russia Don't ya worry. We have some important partnerships and step by step Ukraine will be there. Again shove your "friendship" into your arse. ;)

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Edited by: Sokrates Jun 11, 09, 01:29 / #
Nathan: I knew it! I felt that something is fishy here. Thanks, Prodi, now I know for sure that Ukrainians are living in Wonderland! Sh*t, these teachers of mine were lying all the time, bastards. He's not alone, the West would love to forget you exist, that Poland you hate so much prevents that. Nathan: We want it so bad...closer relations. Ahh!.. Thats your issue, Poland will keep rolling without Ukraine, Ukraine will not continue to be sovereign without Poland, we have a lot less to lose than you if our future relations fail. Nathan: Don't ya worry. We have some important partnerships and step by step Ukraine will be there. Again shove your "friendship" into your arse. ;) What important partnerships? European Union doesnt even want you in, Belarus is too deep with Russia and Russia itself wants you as its pawn, so apart from Poland who's going to reach out to you? Nathan: You need this love badly, I know it, Sokrates, you dirty little monkey. Sorry, I am straight. :( Your petty sarcasm aside improved relations with Ukraine would be great, while we are a key to your sovereign existence you are our key to international power but like i said you're a nation thats seriously underdeveloped in more ways then one and sadly you're not growing up anytime soon.

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Jun 11, 09, 03:36 / #
Sokrates: the West would love to forget you exist, that Poland you hate so much prevents that Sokrates: Ukraine will not continue to be sovereign without Poland Sokrates: so apart from Poland who's going to reach out to you? Sokrates: we are a key to your sovereign existence Wow! Thank you, O Great Poland. Art blesseth Thee! ;) Ironside: Well, Ukraine is divida in partes tres, so far we are talking with one part. See maybe others Ukrainian have something different to say? Trust me, Ironside, I am the only "part" that still has some interest to debate with you. Others wouldn't even bother to waste their keyboards on this BS.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,778 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 11, 09, 22:09 / #
Nathan: Trust me, Ironside, I am the only "part" that still has some interest to debate with you. Others wouldn't even bother to waste their keyboards on this BS. oh blessed me ! Such great person as Nathan the Great BS Digger is interested. Thank You! By the way is there any other massacre you would like to justify as in Wolyn?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 12, 09, 03:28 / #
Nathan: Wow! Thank you, O Great Poland. Art blesseth Thee! ;) Sarcasm aside tell me what country besides Poland has benevolent interests associated with Ukraine?

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07	Jun 12, 09, 03:38 / #
Sokrates: what country besides Poland has benevolent interests associated with Ukraine? Russia probably thinks it does, rather like a strict father who means to be cruel to be kind.

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Jun 12, 09, 04:20 / #
Sokrates: Sarcasm aside tell me what country besides Poland has benevolent interests What is benevolence? It is good will, correct? So how there can be benevolent interests? If there is such a thing, then benevolence doesn't exist. It should then be called kind business, if such a thing is possible. osiol: Russia probably thinks it does And Poland likewise. You imagine yourself saviors of the world. Kind of the kindest. After you are satisfied with your false image (is it possible?), keep on licking it and let me laugh.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Edited by: Sokrates Jun 12, 09, 10:21 / #
Nathan: What is benevolence? It is good will, correct? So how there can be benevolent interests? I asked you a question Nathan, your country is absolutely alone in Europe, no one will support you in case of Russian agression, no one except Poland is interested in the very existence of your state, who do you think will come help you against Russia or agressive EU economy? Nathan: kind business Call it how you want, the fact is its in our Polish interest to see you survive and grow strong however we can manage without Ukraine, Ukraine cannot continue to exist as it is currently without substantial Polish support in the future. Nathan: And Poland likewise. You imagine yourself saviors of the world. Who the hell says we're saviors of the world, in any alliance Poland would lead through more dynamic culture and more powerfull economy but still an alliance with Ukraine is good business for us and an absolute neccesity for you, if you want to avoid utter marginalization and domination by Russia. Nathan: if such a thing is possible. Our countries have no conflictint interests so yes, the problem is severe underdevelopment of Ukraine and your national sentiments. You're a weak and poor country without any major supporter and with a neighbour who wants to dominate you, looking for friends should be your major priority. Nathan: And Poland likewise. No Nathan, an alliance with Russia would most likely end with you losing large parts of your country and having your economy drained leaving your country a 3rd world ruin, an alliance with Poland means economic ties, international recognition and significant leverage in defence of your interests on the international arena, a potential alliance with Poland can grant you things you could never have on your own and in exchange we get cheap labor force that can be easily polonised, a close military and economical partner.

BorrkaThreads: 49 Posts: 770 Joined: Apr 25, 08	Jun 12, 09, 11:44 / #
"I feel more secure, because I know the face of the enemy" Nathan And I feel it was rather paranoid reaction. Nathan, you have been asked several times some simple questions but unfortunately enough your only answer were sarcasm and some wounded national pride. Stop this hair-splitting. Stop discussing Danzig or Gdansk. Say Nathan what is wrong about Poland considering good relationship with Ukraine to be a strategic objective of our politics ? BTW it's not about Ukraine only - so called Giedroyc's doctrine refers to Belorussia and Lithuania as well. We don't mean any form of confederation or "commonwealth". It's over. It's a healthy political business. Win win option. I do not overestimate Polish position in NATO or in the Union. But for the time being we 've got better political and economical cards than you, Ukrainians. Giving you some political support we do not expect anything in exchange. Or maybe our wish of politically stable and democratic Ukraine is too much for you ?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 12, 09, 12:27 / #
Borrka: We don't mean any form of confederation or "commonwealth". Though in the future it wouldnt hurt but having democratic neighbours is a start :)

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Jun 12, 09, 17:06 / #
Borrka: Giving you some political support we do not expect anything in exchange. Borrka: It's a healthy political business. Win win option If you don't expect anything, why is it win-win option and healthy political business? Stop pretending your arrogant heart explosions. ;) Borrka: Stop discussing Danzig or Gdansk. Why? Borrka, I think that you haven't read many posts and many simple questions which I supposedly didn't answer. Sokrates: I asked you a question Nathan, your country is absolutely alone in Europe, no one will support you in case of Russian agression Who will support Poland in case of aggression? Haha. WWll - any clue? If it is necessary, everyone is disposable and your security is based solely on your abilities to survive. Sokrates: looking for friends should be your major priority. The friendship comes with respect which comes from power. Ukraine has to figure its internal problems - lots of confrontation and BS. When this is over, then we will talk about friendship. Till that time I don't expect anything from you, but spitting in the face and throwing Big Brother's loving arm on my shoulder. Sokrates: who do you think will come help you against Russia or agressive EU economy? No one will do a thing. And I hope not only me realizes that. Even with the gas, EU was scared to state that Russia was cutting the gas supply and everyone was ranting about ass-holes Ukrainians making winter in Europe cold. And I understand you absolutely - everyone defends its own interests. That's ok, but at least have decency to stop these nonsensic friendship BS and mutual love. Sokrates: no one except Poland is interested in the very existence of your state Do you think Ukraine is interested in your existance or existance of any other country safe for football, tourism and business interests? Sokrates: No Nathan, an alliance with Russia would most likely end with you losing large parts of your country and having your economy drained leaving your country a 3rd world ruin, an alliance with Poland means economic ties, international recognition and significant leverage in defence of your interests on the international arena, a potential alliance with Poland can grant you things you could never have on your own and in exchange we get cheap labor force that can be easily polonised, a close military and economical partner. Who is talking about alliance with Russia? Only strong economic development based on stable internal political environment is a key for my country to become an important voice in this world. Only then international community will be interested in investing money to make nice profits of that development. So I don't expect anything, but my country to solve its internal problems and then we will talk. Till that moment enjoy your loving sarcastic arrogance.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 12, 09, 17:25 / #
Poland before WWII was full of spirit, Piłsudki really fired up the hearts of the masses until him untimely death in 1935. It was a country seeking to redefine itself after having been put back on the map in 1918. Now, we have Tusk who is doing some good things ( I hear). Still, it's a neutral government in terms of effect and many Poles went back to the UK after finding nothing here. Modern Poland has more appeal in some ways but some Poles would benefit from seeing how it was in the interwar years.

BorrkaThreads: 49 Posts: 770 Joined: Apr 25, 08	Edited by: Borrka Jun 12, 09, 18:45 / #
Nathan: If you don't expect anything, why is it win-win option and healthy political business? Stop pretending your arrogant heart explosions. ;) I don't expect anything from you (Ukrainians) except for being Ukraine and not Malorosiya. Is that too hard to understand ? And how am I (or any kind of my "explosions") arrogant ? Enlighten me pls. Nathan: Borrka, I think that you haven't read many posts Sure. I don't have enough time for kindergarten level flame wars. At least today lol. However your besieged fortress Ukraine conception and very clear picture of enemy is something new to me. Same goes for Europe waiting for you until Ukrainians can manage their internal problems Well, feel free to belive the Earth is flat and located on four elephants. (I'm not arrogant but joking only)

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 12, 09, 19:53 / #
Nathan: Who will support Poland in case of aggression? Haha. WWll - any clue? If it is necessary, everyone is disposable and your security is based solely on your abilities to survive. USA, EU, of course i agree it may happen that Poland will be abandoned like in 1939 but its not that likely and even our domestic military strength is levels above yours, the point is that we're currently in a much better position and we have the means to put you in a much more secure spot as well. Nathan: Do you think Ukraine is interested in your existance or existance of any other country safe for football, tourism and business interests? If its not then i'm rather sorry for you, at this point you need allies, you cant afford isolationistic policies. Nathan: Who is talking about alliance with Russia? Janukowycz, Tymoszenko, Russia :))) Nathan: Only strong economic development based on stable internal political environment is a key for my country to become an important voice in this world. Except at this moment you're unable to achieve it on your own. Nathan: Till that moment enjoy your loving sarcastic arrogance. I'm not arrogant i'm realistic.

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Jun 12, 09, 23:51 / #
Borrka: Say Nathan what is wrong about Poland considering good relationship with Ukraine to be a strategic objective of our politics ? Nothing. I am talking here not with sober politicians, but mostly with those who aren't sober and will be electing future generations of your country's politicum. It is of my concern. That's all. Personally I enjoy your views on our countries' relations issue as well as I found many common ideas with Pawian. It is a good discussion. Sometimes I talk with Sokrates and Ironside and rough expressions get out. It's Ok. If you don't have enough time to look through our "kindergarten talk", you should avoid commenting isolate rips of sentences though :) Sokrates: at this point you need allies, you cant afford isolationistic policies. You are an ally, what else do you need an award for that or something? Sokrates: Except at this moment you're unable to achieve it on your own. Thank you for help in past centuries. I think Ukraine will manage somehow in finding other partners as well in moving towards prosperity. Develop, grow, we need a strong partner. :)

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 13, 09, 05:37 / #
Nathan: You are an ally, what else do you need an award for that or something? Welllllllll annexing your country, enslaving your people and making you work on our farms as feudal peasants would be nice, except i dont have a field ... Nathan: Thank you for help in past centuries. Oh come on, a few centuries of pacification and serfdom and you guys are so bitter, look at all the great things we introduced Ukraine to! Siege, impaling, heavy cavalry charge, artillery barrage, serfdom!

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Edited by: Nathan Jun 13, 09, 06:54 / #
Sokrates: Oh come on, a few centuries of pacification and serfdom and you guys are so bitter, look at all the great things we introduced Ukraine to! Siege, impaling, heavy cavalry charge, artillery barrage, serfdom! That's true. Ukrainian fields are rich because of Polish meat supply. Many Polish horseriders rode their horses for the last time on Ukrainian lands. Now we get beautiful wheat harvest out of your cavalry with pigeon wings and artillerated asses. You are welcome any time - there is always need in adding some Polish humus to our fields. Don't forget chicken wings for your hussaria ;) it makes the soil fluffier.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 13, 09, 08:30 / #
What would you fight Poland with Nathan? Foul language? Oh wait i forgot Ukraine is strong, would you like to know how much money you spend on your strong military annualy?:) Messing with your misplaced sense of national pride asside that only further proves my point how utterly helpless your country is at present.

Pinching PeteThreads: 1 Posts: 1,111 Joined: Feb 23, 08	Jun 13, 09, 08:34 / #
Nathan: That's true. Ukrainian fields are rich because of Polish meat supply. Lol, Ukrainian strawberries are the best now. That must be the secret.

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jun 13, 09, 09:14 / #
Sokrates: Oh wait i forgot Ukraine is strong if you wouldn't get help from EU (mainly from Germany, UK and France) I wonder how strong Poland would be now, lol.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 13, 09, 11:24 / #
freebird: if you wouldn't get help from EU (mainly from Germany, UK and France) I wonder how strong Poland would be now, lol. Whats your point? UK, France and Germany got where they are because of the Marshalls Plan so its not like Western Europe is so developed on its merry own, it still doesnt change the fact that we pulled miracles out of our ass foreign aid or not.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,778 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 13, 09, 14:45 / #
freebird: if you wouldn't get help from EU (mainly from Germany, UK and France) I wonder how strong Poland would be now, lol. Much stronger!! Nathan: That's true. Ukrainian fields are rich because of Polish meat supply. Are talking about Wolyn? And riders had the same right to be there if no better than so called ukrainian about nobody heard at the time! And Poles defended peasant from Tatar and Turks if not for us you would have been slaves in Egypt or somewhere else ! Stop that nonsense about occupation, and I'm talking about Ukraine not about Lwów and surrounding area.

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jun 13, 09, 16:27 / #
Sokrates: UK, France and Germany got where they are because of the Marshalls Plan so its not like Western Europe is so developed on its merry own, geez, they were already developed way before the WWII. They were destroyed during the WWII and this is the only reason why they even needed help. Poland was destroyed too but even before WWII wasn't very developed to begin with. This is my point!!! Ironside: Much stronger!! never was and never will be without someone elses help. Poland always had heroic soldiers, that's true (you might be one of them, your name sounds heroic :-) ) but you guys never had smart economist or politician and this a known fact too.

GregrogThreads: 3 Posts: 114 Joined: Feb 2, 09	Jun 13, 09, 16:36 / #
freebird: but you guys never had smart economist or politician and this a known fact too. Especially in XVI century:) freebird: They were destroyed during the WWII and this is the only reason why they even needed help. Poland was destroyed too but even before WWII wasn't very developed to begin with. Destruction of west countries wasn't even comparable to destruction of Poland. If there wasn't war, Poland wouldn't need help too:P(help, which we didn't receive).

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09	Jun 13, 09, 16:48 / #
Sokrates: What would you fight Poland with Nathan? Like Ukrainian Cossacks in past centuries had what to fight you with, we have as well. I know that Germany dresses you and gives you tanks, but it's ok. As you know we produce our own tanks - T-84 Oplot-M - one example + Ukrainian soldiers are braver and willing to cut some fluffy Polish feathers any time. Pinching Pete: Lol, Ukrainian strawberries are the best now. That must be the secret. Damn, I gave out our secret ingredient. ;) Ironside: And riders had the same right to be there if no better True, they helped out with our exports in strawberries. The chicken wings of hussraria - delicious.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,778 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 13, 09, 16:51 / #
freebird: They were destroyed during the WWII and this is the only reason why they even needed help. Poland was destroyed too but even before WWII wasn't very developed to begin with. This is my point!!! What do you mean developed? freebird: never was and never will be without someone elses help. Poland always had heroic soldiers, that's true (you might be one of them, your name sounds heroic :-) ) but you guys never had smart economist or politician and this a known fact too. never? thats simply a lie or ignorance.))))) and never sounds so eternal ........ I'm not heroic, far from it... As for economist - not true. With politician is tricky, how smart one has to be to be a president of USA ????

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 13, 09, 17:13 / #
Developed in terms of thriving industry, solid infrastructure and open trade with other countries perhaps?? Was Balcerowicz on a par with Adam Smith? ;0 ;)

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jun 13, 09, 17:20 / #
Ironside: What do you mean developed? developed - being changed over time so as to be e.g. stronger or more complete or more successful; Ironside: I'm not heroic, far from it... you come across heroic, you fight with determination anyone on this forum who doesn't feel or act Polish Ironside: As for economist - not true. Ok, tell me please about Polish economical achievements anytime before 1989 Ironside: president of USA if you're talking about Obama or even Bush (especially the first one), I admit they both suck but almost any other one before was OK.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,778 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Edited by: Ironside Jun 13, 09, 18:26 / #
Nathan: Lol, Ukrainian strawberries are the best now. That must be the secret. or Chernobyl radioactivity LOL.... Nathan: Like Ukrainian Cossacks in past centuries had what to fight Gangsters? Cossacks were pirates of the steps ! Sure they were alway for a fight to get a spoils out of it! Seanus: Developed in terms of thriving industry, solid infrastructure and open trade with other countries perhaps?? Well, Poland was developed well enough. Seanus: Was Balcerowicz on a par with Adam Smith? ;0 ;) Balcerowicz ???????????????????? don't use a swear words, please, Seanus))))) And who was Smith - theoretician, writing about what was already in motion in England of his times! Ricardo? freebird: you come across heroic, you fight with determination anyone on this forum who doesn't feel or act Polish Come on !!!? I'm only voicing my opinion, and I think I'm being a very sensible about it, after all it is Polish forum! freebird: developed - being changed over time so as to be e.g. stronger or more complete or more successful; Poland between 1921-1939 considering starting point it was a great success! freebird: if you're talking about Obama or even Bush (especially the first one), USA is great economy, unparalleled military, financial and industrial power , how smart one has to be not to **** up things ?? Only president worth mention in the XX century is Regan. freebird: Ok, tell me please about Polish economical achievements anytime before 1989 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=W%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_Grabski& oldid=292939732 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gdynia&oldid=294678448 As for great impact on the world economy : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ignacy_%C5%81ukasiewicz&oldi d=294590579