Poland and Hungary in September 1939

...The westernmost and most formidable concentration of Soviet armed might outside the borders of the Soviet Union is the GSFG.
In 1987 this force of about 380,000 men, organized into 20 ground force divisions and one air army and stationed entirely in East Germany, was over twice the size of the NVA.

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The importance that the Soviets attach to their position in East Germany is underscored by the disparity in size between the GSFG and the other Soviet groups of forces in Eastern Europe. The Northern Group of Forces in Poland, for instance, comprised three divisions, the Central Group of Forces in Czechoslovakia numbered six divisions, and the Southern Group of Forces in Hungary had four divisions. The other groups totaled slightly more than half the size of the GSFG. The GSFG dominated not only East Germany but also the rest of Eastern Europe, not to mention the image that it projected into Western Europe. In 1987 the GSFG, under the command of General Valerii Aleksandrovich Belikov, had its headquarters in the former Wehrmacht command center in Zossen-Wünsdorf, south of Berlin. ...

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 13, 09, 13:51 / #
Mr Grunwald: Sorry but nationalism isn't the only type of legal state idea or how a country should be. Well...YOU called it polish and used it as a proof of the "eternal friendship" with Hungary. I just showed that it wasn't even polish in these times...and Hungary conquered it rather slowly. No need and no time to fight over it for Poland. If that is the fundament of your "eternal" polish-hungarian friendship it is a rather weak one.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Jul 13, 09, 13:54 / #
Mr Grunwald: Bratwurst Boy: I will wait for the first Hungary-Poland conflict of interest and we will see how that is handled...right? Right! SLovakia? Somehow they didn't fight each other over it :) Mr Grunwald: I ment middle ages etc, Poland had Slovakia as a vassal I said Poland had Slovakia as a vassal... It was Polands, doesn't mean Polish then you know? Like Warschau was sometimes Germany's but was it German? Don't mix things here I have never said Slovakia to be Polish

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 13, 09, 13:57 / #
Mr Grunwald: Germany too had a revolution in 1848 I know but is it my fault that Germany never prioritized to inform people about it? Or was the people unaware of it? Well...lot's of people with interest in european history know about it. (It's where our flag colors stem from for example). But you are ignorant as you admitted. You know nothing about Germany but Nazi, Beer and Oktoberfest. So excuse me if I don't believe you when you talk about such things as "eternal friendships" between whole countries. How can you believe the relationship between Poland and Hungary is something special if you don't even know the history of other european countries???? History is so not your strong suit!

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Edited by: Mr Grunwald Jul 13, 09, 14:00 / #
Bratwurst Boy: But you are ignorant as you admitted. You know nothing about Germany but Nazi, Beer and Oktoberfest. So excuse me if I don't believe you when you talk about such things as "eternal friendships" between whole countries. Mr Grunwald: Many in Norway have a high definition of Germans as nazi Mr Grunwald: when I think of Germans then yes I think Bratwurst Boy: german culture consists of beer and the Octoberfest Ehrm I know you want me to look bad, but that's a bit over the edge

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Jul 13, 09, 14:01 / #
Mr Grunwald: Ehrm Yes...ignorant with no idea of history or culture. Dream on your dream of "eternal friendship"...who cares!

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Jul 13, 09, 14:03 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Yes...ignorant with no idea of history or culture. Dream on your dream of "eternal friendship"...who cares! I know history of Germany (Also Prussia) It's not my dream it's reality I am no Germanophile but im not that stupid as you want me to be

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 13, 09, 14:05 / #
Mr Grunwald: I am no Germanophile but im not that stupid as you want me to be Well...I only react to the image you present here. I'm outta here...who am I to disturb your and others nice illusions! takes helmet, closes door behind him

BorrkaThreads: 49 Posts: 770 Joined: Apr 25, 08	Jul 13, 09, 14:06 / #
Bratwurst Boy: uprisings against the commies in Berlin and Budapest You dare to compare Budapest 1956 and and some ... hmm ... disorder in the Kremlin's most favorite "zone" ? And now it's even called uprising LOL ? Get real BB !

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 13, 09, 14:09 / #
Borrka: You dare to compare Budapest 1956 and and some ... hmm ... disorder in the Kremlin's most favorite "zone" ? And now it's even called uprising LOL ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uprising_of_1953_in_East_Germany ...According to the West German Ministry for Inter-German affairs in 1966, 383 people were killed in the uprising, including 116 "functionaries of the SED regime", 106 people were executed under martial law or later condemned to death, 1,838 injured, and 5,100 arrested, 1,200 of these later being sentenced to a total of 6,000 years in penal camps.... Yeah...I forgot...only slavic/polish uprisings are the real stuff, only they "count"! Sorry...someone should tell the victims! Man you s*uck so much Borrka, what a disgusting creature you are!

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08	Jul 13, 09, 14:11 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Well...I only react to the image you present here. I'm outta here...who am I to disturb your and others nice illusions! takes helmet, closes door behind him Takes a glass of water and starts moaning about BB's tactical reteat Dang can't you people see that I try to debate not win/lose

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08	Jul 14, 09, 20:49 / #
Bratwurst Boy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uprising_of_1953_in_East_Germany In total, around 16 Soviet divisions with 20,000 soldiers as well as 8,000 Kasernierte Volkspolizei members were committed. In case someone has read this, 16 divisions is a huge force to pacify civilians. That's 20,000 soldiers per division. Why haven't I heard about this? feels dumb

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 14, 09, 21:10 / #
1jola: Why haven't I heard about this? feels dumb Don't worry about it, you're certainly not the only one who hasn't heard about this!

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,949 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern Jul 14, 09, 21:23 / #
1jola: Why haven't I heard about this? Soviet soldiers were stationed constantly in DDR from 1948 while they appeared in CR only in 1968 (to stay for 20 years) and never in Poland.So the suppresion in DDR was an internal affair.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER	Edited by: Torq Jul 14, 09, 21:25 / #
southern: Soviet soldiers were stationed constantly in DDR from 1948 while they appeared in CR only in 1968 (to stay for 20 years) and never in Poland. Southern, did you just say that Soviet soldiers never appeared in Poland or am I reading your post wrong?

BorrkaThreads: 49 Posts: 770 Joined: Apr 25, 08	Jul 13, 09, 14:31 / #
Bratwurst Boy: only slavic/polish uprisings are the real stuff, only they "count" Are Hungarians Slavonic ?! A new achievement of German scientists ? Even comparing the bloody Budapest revolt with Berlin riots is disgusting. But it's just the way German mythology works. Bratwurst Boy: an you s*uck so much Borrka, what a disgusting creature you are! No need to thank me, BB.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 13, 09, 14:39 / #
Borrka: Even comparing the bloody Budapest revolt with Berlin riots is disgusting. no comment I just hope it stays to see for all...for a long time!

porzeczkaThreads: - Posts: 130 Joined: Jan 14, 09	Edited by: porzeczka Jul 14, 09, 20:30 / #
Unfortunately, I can't post these pictures. So here is a link to gallery: http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=bb4a915218de6eef&q=Polan d%20Armed%20Forces%20source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPoland%2BArmed%2BF orces%2Bsource:life%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Dpl%26sa%3DN%26start%3D21

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,949 Joined: May 17, 07	Edited by: southern Jul 14, 09, 21:45 / #
Torq: did you just say that Soviet soldiers never appeared in Poland Sorry I mean they were about 60000,not more.In DDR there were 350000.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 14, 09, 21:58 / #
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_Soviet_Forces_in_Germany http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+gx0156) ...The westernmost and most formidable concentration of Soviet armed might outside the borders of the Soviet Union is the GSFG. In 1987 this force of about 380,000 men, organized into 20 ground force divisions and one air army and stationed entirely in East Germany, was over twice the size of the NVA. ... The importance that the Soviets attach to their position in East Germany is underscored by the disparity in size between the GSFG and the other Soviet groups of forces in Eastern Europe. The Northern Group of Forces in Poland, for instance, comprised three divisions, the Central Group of Forces in Czechoslovakia numbered six divisions, and the Southern Group of Forces in Hungary had four divisions. The other groups totaled slightly more than half the size of the GSFG. The GSFG dominated not only East Germany but also the rest of Eastern Europe, not to mention the image that it projected into Western Europe. In 1987 the GSFG, under the command of General Valerii Aleksandrovich Belikov, had its headquarters in the former Wehrmacht command center in Zossen-Wünsdorf, south of Berlin. ...

BondiThreads: 4 Posts: 148 Joined: Sep 11, 07	Jul 17, 09, 21:35 / #
To add my two groszy: throughout history, different territories of different countries changed rule not only by military conquest but also peacefully through royal succession + marriages between dynasties. (Btw, the Habsburg dynasty ruled lots of the European land through marriages.) Poland, Czechia and Hungary also "shared" a few kings. :)