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Poland war propaganda poster - can anyone explain this picture?

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Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Oct 27, 08, 06:38 / #
<div class="quoting">Krzysztof: Germany's anti-polish posters addressed to whom? What "target audience" do you mean?</div> Germans??? Propaganda posters actually are used to boost the morale, the will to fight, to de-humanize and of course to point out the enemy! But there is an interesting lack of anti-polish posters...I had somehow expected a similiar denigrating sort of as against Jews and Reds...but there aren't any (or I'm just not finding them).. Looks like an Aryan: :) transparent.com/TLBlog/Russian/img/Olympics.jpg

Edited by: puercoespin Oct 27, 08, 06:40 / #

SeanBM:

does that mean "Work will free you"?

can be or "Work brings freedom"

more about freedom..
1. guard of freedom
2. we want freedom
we fight for freedom
we will save freedom
LABOR UNION CONGRESS
3. NATO to destroy world
4. NATO freedom danger

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Oct 27, 08, 06:42 / #
Bratwurst Boy: But if that isn't gay then I don't know! Super gay ha ha ha, but was this not addressed to the soviets? comrades at arms? Bratwurst Boy: Looks like an Aryan Yes, they all look very similar, change the wording and the symbols and send them back. puercoespin Could you translate them , please?

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,647 Joined: Jun 26, 07	Oct 27, 08, 06:54 / #
SeanBM: Some of the Nazi stuff looks really gay to me. It's not exactly manly! Bratwurst Boy: But if that isn't gay then I don't know! :):):) Maybe he is giving the other dude the kiss of life :) British press was quite busy - here are some of what we had to offer: Recruitment Maintinain Moral Security concerns More

Edited by: SeanBM Oct 27, 08, 07:32 / #

ShelleyS:

British press was quite busy

Very interesting, mum's the word ;)

In Northern Ireland Painting Murals is a way of expressing politicsURL

The American one says
" AND THE ROCKETS
RED GLARE
BOMGS BURSTING
IN AIR
GAVE PROOF THROUGH
THE NIGHT THAT
OUR FLAG WAS STILL
STANDING"

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Oct 27, 08, 07:52 / #
Can't help it but I wouldn't think of a Chinese at a first glance: Even tiny Chinese get all big and brawny thanks to propaganda! :)

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Sep 14, 06	Edited by: Bartolome Oct 27, 08, 07:55 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Even tiny Chinese get all big and brawny thanks to propaganda! :) ...and they get the looks of a Latino macho (poster No 1)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Oct 27, 08, 08:01 / #
Bartolome: ...and they get the looks of a Latino macho (poster No 1) My first thought too! :)

hairballThreads: 34 Posts: 770 Joined: Dec 16, 07	Oct 27, 08, 08:09 / #
osiol: Always England Yes they seem to forget that it is a Union!

Oct 27, 08, 08:43 / #

Here are some Palastinian Murals

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,755 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Edited by: McCoy Oct 27, 08, 08:48 / #
SeanBM: Here are some Palastinian Murals made by banksy PRL posters: http://www.wrzuta.pl/search.php?type=i&tag=&words=plakaty%20prl&order= v&login=&dsp_type=0&page_size=&page=1#

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Oct 27, 08, 08:54 / #
McCoy: PRL posters: Hey excellent, amazing really. McCoy: made by banksy I don't know if I am going off topic here? I just thought they were very interesting and kinda fit here. Later i will get some from the Vietnam war? I find all this very interesting.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,755 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Oct 27, 08, 09:04 / #
SeanBM: I don't know if I am going off topic here? I just thought they were very interesting and kinda fit here. ok. i just add info about banksy cause he's the best known street artist. it's good to know his name and works.

BorrkaThreads: 49 Posts: 769 Joined: Apr 25, 08	Oct 27, 08, 09:07 / #
<div class="quoting">Bratwurst Boy: But there is an interesting lack of anti-polish posters...</div> BB Anti-Polish sentiments among Germans were high in the pre-ww2 times. I've seen some posters but generally there was simple no need to stimulate the hatred towards Poles in such a primitive way ! But watch this movie. Sorry I have this German version only. Feldzug in Polen nazi.org.uk/video.htm

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,755 Joined: Jul 3, 08	Oct 27, 08, 09:18 / #
SeanBM: Hey excellent, amazing really. thanks sean. [img][/img] great site with propaganda posters from different countries: http://www.plakaty.poszukiwania.pl/index.php

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Edited by: SeanBM Oct 27, 08, 09:29 / #
<div class="quoting">McCoy: McCoy</div> Some of the communist propaganda looks amazing. Really powerful people, working hard, but the style even magnifies this really well. <div class="quoting">sledz: Here some US ones</div> These are obviously during the war back in U.S.A, trying to get everyone to chip in? Wasn't there a bugs bunny propaganda for pots and pans to make bombs out of the metal? I think I remember something like that. They did not even use the metal, it was just a way to boost moral, to make people feel as if they were helping defeat the enemy. I will look for it here is another bugs one Any bonds today, buy your share of freedom today, invest in the usa!.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Oct 27, 08, 09:36 / #
Borrka: Anti-Polish sentiments among Germans were high in the pre-ww2 times. I've seen some posters but generally there was simple no need to stimulate the hatred towards Poles in such a primitive way ! Anti-Communist sentiment and anti-Jew sentiment were quite stronger too and they had their own poster nonetheless so I don't think that would be an explanation. War propaganda was used on all sides and surely not seen as "primitive" (even if it makes one smile now and then TODAY). I just think it seems to point to a lack of hate contrary to the popular opinion that the Germans hated the Poles in the same way as Jews or Bolschewiks!

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,647 Joined: Mar 10, 08	Oct 27, 08, 09:39 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Anti-Communist sentiment and anti-Jew sentiment were quite stronger too Could the nazi's have made Polish people out to be one or the other? Commie or Jew?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Oct 27, 08, 09:43 / #
SeanBM: Could the nazi's have made Polish people out to be one or the other? Commie or Jew? You mean as in "Poles are either Commies or Jews"??? I dunno...

KrzysztofThreads: 2 Posts: 1,146 Joined: Jul 26, 07	Oct 27, 08, 09:44 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Anti-red sentiment and anti-jewish sentiment were quite stronger too and they had their own poster nonetheless so I don't think that would be an explanation. Well, after the collaboration with Soviet Union to dismantle Poland in 1939, the German government needed to explain somehow that you were no longer "friends" with Stalin and you need to attack the SU too. Strong anti-jewish propaganda was needed to explain the total annihilation politics carried by Hitler, because, despite strong anti-jewish sentiments pre-war, I think most German citizens could find the final solution a little to extreme, don't you think? Chasing the Jews from social life, closing them in ghettoes, taking over their capital and industry, it was probably acceptable after several years of Hitler at power, but "kill'em all" including babies needed some additional "explanation".

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Oct 27, 08, 09:44 / #
Bratwurst Boy: War propaganda was used on all sides and surely not seen as "primitive" (even if it makes one smile now and then TODAY). I have collected the post cards and find them in a class of there own.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Oct 27, 08, 09:46 / #
Krzysztof: Well, after the collaboration with Soviet Union to dismantle Poland in 1939, the German government needed to explain somehow that you were no longer "friends" with Stalin and you need to attack the SU too. Strong anti-jewish propaganda was needed to explain the total annihilation politics carried by Hitler, because, despite strong anti-jewish sentiments pre-war, I think most German citizens could find the final solution a little to extreme, don't you think? Chasing the Jews from social life, closing them in ghettoes, taking over their capital and industry, it was probably acceptable after several years of Hitler at power, but "kill'em all" including babies needed some additional "explanation". The question was rather the lack of anti-polish propaganda poster... PS: There aren't any "Kill babies"-poster

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Oct 27, 08, 09:58 / #
Bratwurst Boy: anti-polish propaganda anti-polish propaganda from Germany, I googled it under images and there are many (655) to look at I just can't read what they say. http://images.google.com/images?&hl=en&q=anti-polish+propaganda+from+G ermany&&sa=N&start=0&ndsp=20

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Oct 27, 08, 10:00 / #
Nope...I looked under these words too and didn't find any... Lot's of anti-anything posters (most not even from Germany) but no polish hostile ones! I repeat, I find that really interesting! What does that say about the real mindset of these times? I found that Nazi poster though: Or this: Nazi propaganda poster depicting executions of Polish military officers by the Soviets, with caption in Slovak - Forest of the dead at Katyn. URL

KrzysztofThreads: 2 Posts: 1,146 Joined: Jul 26, 07	Edited by: Krzysztof Oct 27, 08, 11:10 / #
Bratwurst Boy: but no polish hostile ones! I tend to agree with this possibility: Borrka: Today, 09:07 Report #104 After partitions (Bismarck's Kulturkampf and germanization), WWI (and Upper Silesia plebiscite followed by the Silesian Uprisings), German claims to other Poland's lands (Westpreussen, Masuren, Poznań) I would assume there was enough propaganda against Poles, so Hitler didn't really needed to antagonize the Germans with the Poles, because the relations weren't too good. He only needed some small provocations to "justify" the aggression of 1939. Sometimes, relations between 2 countries can be so tensed without any need for propaganda, just a small spark is enough to set the fire.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Oct 27, 08, 11:19 / #
Oh please...there wouldn't had been the need then for any propaganda poster at all. That's a real far fetched theory! :) There shouldn't have been any polish anti-german poster either following this theory... Not to mention that the only Nazi poster concerning Poles I could find doesn't portray the Poles as somehow "subhuman" or hostile...quite to the contrary...

Oct 27, 08, 11:32 / #

McCoy:

ok. i just add info about banksy cause he's the best known street artist. it's good to know his name and works.

Oh, No thanks for the name, I meant, I did not know if I was going off topic? I mean a lot of the propaganda is about commies, WWII, WWI or Nazis and are fairly old, I thought maybe putting in some more modern would be interesting just as a progression but i am enjoying the old ones so much, I just don't know?.
I just looked at the Vietnam photos but i think they might be too disturbing? The naked girl running in fear crying or the guy getting shot, the really famous ones.
It just might be a little off course?

Bratwurst Boy:

You mean as in "Poles are either Commies or Jews"???

Perhaps? I don't know.
I see what you mean and it is curious all right.

Here are some from North Korea, I do not understand what is written but the imagery is self evident.

KrzysztofThreads: 2 Posts: 1,146 Joined: Jul 26, 07	Oct 27, 08, 11:34 / #
Bratwurst Boy: There shouldn't have been any polish anti-german poster either following this theory... Why? Because you assume that if a nation A feels X, Y, Z against the nation B, then the nation B must feel exactly the same versus nation A? It's not that simple, one nation is usually more active (aggressive) in its negative feeling, while the other may be more passive ("peaceful"). In Poland Germany wasn't perceived as the main threat between WWI and WWII, the public enemy was the Soviet empire, probably not many people loved the Germans, but until late 30's Polish national interest was to cooperate with Germany on the political level. When the war started (or when they knew it was inevitable) those things had to change, hence the bigger need for anti-german propaganda.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Oct 27, 08, 11:34 / #
SeanBM: Here are some from North Korea, I do not understand what is written but the imagery is self evident. Somehow the North Koreans do look like the Red Army...is it the helmets??? Krzysztof: Why? Because you assume that if a nation A feels X, Y, Z against the nation B, then the nation B must feel exactly the same versus nation A? It's not that simple, one nation is usually more active (aggressive) in its negative feeling, while the other may be more passive ("peaceful"). In Poland Germany wasn't perceived as the main threat between WWI and WWII, the public enemy was the Soviet empire, probably not many people loved the Germans, but until late 30's Polish national interest was to cooperate with Germany on the political level. When the war started (or when they knew it was inevitable) those things had to change, hence the bigger need for anti-german propaganda. Well...that doesn't explain the lack (or may I say total absence?) of anti-polish hate propaganda by the Germans! Especially as every Pole and his grandmom tells me how much the Germans always hated the Poles and always will (on this board I mean)....to come up with some poster should have been easy!

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,521 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Oct 27, 08, 12:43 / #
Shawn_H: Is it Propaganda? I would view it as a politically motivated statement, as you would find in a any modern newspaper. It just seems to be making the statement that the mess associated with the war is the fault of the English The British were to blame to a large extent...The British 'elites' were, and are diplicitous pigs.