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Polish mathematicians who solved the Enigma machine



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Rejewski

Marian Adam Rejewski ( [ˈmarjan reˈjefski] (help·info); 16 August 1905 – 13 February 1980) was a Polish mathematician and cryptologist who, in 1932, solved the Enigma machine, the main cipher device used by Germany. The success of Rejewski and his colleagues jump-started British reading of Enigma in World War II, and the intelligence so gained, code-named "Ultra", contributed, perhaps decisively, to the defeat of Nazi Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henryk_Zygalski

Henryk Zygalski ( ['xɛnrɨk zɨ'galski] (help·info); 1906 - 1978) was a Polish mathematician and cryptologist who worked at breaking German Enigma ciphers before and during World War II.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Pełczyński#Enigma

Tadeusz Pełczyński (Warsaw, February 14, 1892 – January 3, 1985, London) was a Polish Army major general (generał brygady), intelligence officer and chief of the General Staff's Section II (the military intelligence section)

The Poles' gift, to their British and French allies, of Enigma decryption at Warsaw on July 26, 1939, just five weeks before the outbreak of World War II, came not a moment too soon. Former Bletchley Park mathematician-cryptologist Gordon Welchman has written: "Ultra [the British Enigma-decryption operation] would never have gotten off the ground if we had not learned from the Poles, in the nick of time, the details both of the German military... Enigma machine, and of the operating procedures that were in use." After the war, Britain's Prime Minister Winston Churchill was to tell King George VI: "It was thanks to Ultra that we won the war."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Różycki

Jerzy Witold Różycki (pronounced ['jʒɨ ru'ʒɨʦki]; Olshana, near Kiev, Ukraine, July 24, 1909 — January 9, 1942, Mediterranean Sea, near the Balearic Islands) was a Polish mathematician and cryptologist who worked at breaking German Enigma-machine ciphers.

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Bronze monument to the three cryptologists, erected in 2007 before the Poznań Castle

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  Feb 3, 09, 13:44 /  #
Thank you for the information in this posting. I knew the story, but didn't know about the monument in Poznań. I hope to see it next summer.
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  Feb 3, 09, 16:35 /  #
My respects :)
noimmigration Edited by: noimmigration   Feb 3, 09, 16:43 /  #
Bletchly park - [url=] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bletchley_Park[/url]

And it was also the british who captured the enigma machines

Colossus -

[url=] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer[/url]
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  Feb 3, 09, 17:00 /  #
noimmigration:
And it was also the british who captured the enigma machines

The use of the word also implies that you think that the British played the major role in cracking the enigma cryptography. Not true. Without the work of the Polish mathematicians they would nt have had the head start they needed. Subsequent variations of the code were decyphered by Bletchley Park.

Another link

http://chc60.fgcu.edu/EN/HistoryDetail.aspx?c=1
noimmigration   Feb 3, 09, 17:06 /  #
Without the british there would have been no enigma machines to crack. :)
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  Feb 3, 09, 17:25 /  #
noimmigration:
Without the british there would have been no enigma machines to crack. :)

How is that then?
noimmigration Edited by: noimmigration   Feb 3, 09, 17:28 /  #
cjjc:
How is that then?

we captured the enigma machines to study. We captured them through fighting, something the poles did little of during the war.
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  Feb 3, 09, 17:39 /  #
noimmigration:
something the poles did little of during the war

Yeah, they mostly seat in the bunkers waiting silently for that day when they will be able to migrate to the UK.
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  Feb 3, 09, 17:53 /  #
noimmigration:
we captured the enigma machines to study. We captured them through fighting, something the poles did little of during the war.

That stupid statement would be similar to my stating, from an American perspective, the British did very little fighting, either.
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  Feb 3, 09, 18:00 /  #
The debate is not on who captured the machines, but on who decoded them.
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Edited by: cjjc   Feb 3, 09, 18:01 /  #
noimmigration:
noimmigration

Y'know, 5 mins into my reply to you I gave up. I realised that even if I do explain some things to you and gave you examples of how Polish soldiers fought like courageous heroes, you will not listen because you are basically an idiot.

It's a real shame to see such a waste of a brain.

Wroclaw:
The debate is not on who captured the machines, but on who decoded them.

True. Noted. I should have known better.

:)

polam:
That stupid statement would be similar to my stating, from an American perspective, the British did very little fighting, either.

Please go to Random Chat.
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Edited by: osiol   Feb 3, 09, 18:14 /  #
Trouble is, although the whole thing was a combined effort to beat a common enemy, some of the descendants of those from all parties involved have to try to prove how big their -------s are.
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  Feb 3, 09, 18:18 /  #
osiol:
Trouble is, although the whole thing was a combined effort to beat a common enemy, some of the descendants of those from all parties involved have to try to prove how big their -------s are.

Why of course.
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  Feb 4, 09, 00:02 /  #
Prince:
Polish mathematicians who solved the Enigma machine

Sadly, here in canada we are never taught this. People learn that the British did all the deciphering and there is no mention of the Poles' role.
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  Feb 4, 09, 00:06 /  #
polishcanuck:
no mention of the Poles' role

Watch the movie with Kate Winslett. There are sure Poles involved.
As the traitors.
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Edited by: Prince   Feb 4, 09, 00:15 /  #
After the Yalta there was effort on West to make Polish contribution in WWII smaller.

The facts are different:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomba_(cryptography)

The bomba, or bomba kryptologiczna (Polish for "bomb" or "cryptologic bomb") was a special-purpose machine designed about October 1938 by Polish Cipher Bureau cryptologist Marian Rejewski to break German Enigma-machine ciphers.

Up to July 25, 1939, the Poles had been breaking Enigma messages for over six and a half years without telling their French and British allies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclometer

The cyclometer was a cryptologic device designed, "probably in 1934 or 1935," by Marian Rejewski of the Polish Cipher Bureau's German section (BS-4) to facilitate decryption of German Enigma ciphertext

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_catalog_(cryptology)

The card catalog, or "catalog of characteristics," in cryptography, was a system designed by Polish Cipher Bureau mathematician-cryptologist Marian Rejewski, and first completed about 1935 or 1936, to facilitate decrypting German Enigma ciphers

So it was before WWII.

Times has changed and there are results:

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Plaque at Bletchley Park, unveiled 2002. English side reads: "This plaque commemorates the work of Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski, mathematicians of the Polish intelligence service, in first breaking the Enigma code

Lori:
I knew the story, but didn't know about the monument in Poznań. I hope to see it next summer.

Picture made form different spots

Poznań

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Edited by: Prince   Feb 4, 09, 00:35 /  #
:) Of course there is Różycki on this monument.

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Edited by: Prince   Feb 4, 09, 06:10 /  #
When we look on changes in history. British start to admit that Poles were first and it is only becuase of Polish help they were able to work on next enigma versions.

Without Polish mathematicians Aliess would have been beaten durring WWII.

Knoledge about most German plans or operations was very useful. In many battles allies were well prepared because of knowledge of German plans.
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  Feb 4, 09, 12:01 /  #
maybe they would maybe they wouldn't.. surely it was a combined effort as someone wisely stated, and there's no room for what-ifs. Is bragging about who was better in smth and who was not that important to you? does it make you feel better? It's interesting history, not a mean to humiliate others...
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  Feb 4, 09, 14:56 /  #
A very good post, which helped me learn something of history.
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  Feb 4, 09, 15:02 /  #
Yeah, ingenious the way they did it. Some say 'necessity is the mother of invention'. Poland needed this strategic advantage.

Was there a Jewish conspiracy here, Joe? Just kidding ;)
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  Feb 4, 09, 22:44 /  #
Well War is long time ago finished and it is good that without political or propaganda background we can see some facts in true light.
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Edited by: Seanus   Feb 4, 09, 22:47 /  #
Nice thread, Prince. Setting the record straight :)

Any other Polish inventions you want to post a thread on and raise awareness?
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  Feb 4, 09, 22:54 /  #
:)

Seanus:
ny other Polish inventions you want to post a thread on and raise awareness?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL.37_Łoś

The PZL.37 Łoś (Polish: moose) was a Polish twin-engine medium bomber, used in the Invasion of Poland in 1939. Thanks to the laminar-flow wing it was one of the most modern bombers in the world before World War II.

The PZL.37 was designed in the mid-1930s at the PZL factory in Warsaw by Jerzy Dąbrowski.

Los


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7TP

The 7TP was the Polish light tank of the Second World War. A development of the British Vickers 6-ton, it was significantly better armed than its most common opponents, the German Panzer I and Panzer II.


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  Feb 4, 09, 22:57 /  #
Impressive stuff, Prince. It makes for good reading. There is a tank in the middle of Gliwice, it may be the 7TP.
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Edited by: Prince   Feb 4, 09, 23:06 /  #
What is more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_rifle,_model_35

Karabin przeciwpancerny wzór 35 (abbreviated "kb ppanc wz. 35"; "anti-tank rifle, model 35"), was a Polish 7.92 mm anti-tank rifle used by the Polish Army during the Polish Defensive War of 1939. It was also known by its code name, kb Urugwaj (kb Ur), or by the name of its designer, Józef Maroszek.

The effective range was 300 metres and the weapon was effective against all German tanks of the period (the Panzer I, II and III, as well as the Czech-made LT-35 and LT-38) at 100 meters. At up to 400 meters it could destroy all lightly-armored vehicles. It could penetrate 15 mm of armor, sloped at 30° at 300 m distance, or 33 mm of armor at 100 m. Interestingly, an Italian manual stated maximum penetration as 40 mm.


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Edited by: Prince   Feb 5, 09, 00:47 /  #
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_mine_detector

The Mine detector (Polish) Mark I was a metal detector for landmines developed during World War II in the winter of 1941/1942 by Polish lieutenant Józef Kosacki.

“ The Polish detector had two coils, one of which was connected to an oscillator which generated an oscillating current of an acoustic frequency. The other coil was connected to an amplifier and a telephone. When the coils came into proximity to a metallic object the balance between the coils was upset and the telephone reported a signal. The equipment weighed just under 30 pounds [14 kilograms] and could be operated by one man. The Polish detector saw service throughout the war and the Mark 4c version was still used by the British Army until 1995. ”

—Mike Croll, The History of Landmines


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