Ross kemp on Polish Gangs/Nazis - Untermenschen Nazis..??

Davidovic and another 58 individuals were arrested. Among them there were 11 citizens of Slovakia. The same day the police arrested in Belgrade eight Bulgarians with fascist leaflets, swastikas, fascist flags and knives.

Supporters of Serbian neo-Nazis from Poland and Slovenia also tried to come to Novi Sad but were not allowed to cross the border.

JamesLondonThreads: 1 Posts: 34 Joined: Jun 19, 07	Oct 11, 07, 11:25 / #
I happened to watch Ross Kemp in Poland the other day and was absolutely gobsmacked by the so-called Polish "Nazis". Now, one of their "leaders" had Adolf Hitler's speech as a mobile phone ringtone...!! Understandably (chuckle), these lads were sieg heiling & spewing anti-semitic and anti-black rhetoric, however, they couldn't really explain why they were doing it; that too, taking into account the fact that there aren't that many blacks in Poland. Now, Mr.Kemp spent most of his time asking stupid questions about football hooliganism as if it's a phenomenon that only occurs in Poland. Stupid Man...you're from hooligan capital..!! Ask more intelligent questions mate..!! Now, the debate I would like to raise is this...I cannot fathom how a slav , who was considered Untermensch (Sub-human) by Hitler and his cohorts , literally worship the man and his ideology? Am I missing something here? It's like a black man in South Africa worshipping Hendrik Verwoerd, the "Architect of Apartheid"...!! Is it not possible for somebody to catch hold of these guys and say "Mate, Hitler would be in 7th heaven(no pun intended) if all of you just killed yourselves...!!" I would like some intelligent answers from Poles as opposed to attacking responses which contain no logic whatsoever. The link to the Ross Kemp's documentary is attached below; the "Hitler ring tone" section is at 1:50...it's hilarious:

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1,345 Joined: Sep 14, 06	Oct 11, 07, 11:56 / #
Quoting: JamesLondon ...I cannot fathom how a slav , who was considered Untermensch (Sub-human) by Hitler and his cohorts , literally worship the man and his ideology? I'm a Pole and I can't understand it either. Human nature is too complicated to answer questions like that. Fortunately, these folks aren't any political power in Poland and hopefully will never be. Even now popularity of LPR (far right-wing party, that's still in the Parliament) has been deteriorating.

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Oct 11, 07, 17:01 / #
Quoting: JamesLondon Now, Mr.Kemp spent most of his time asking stupid questions about football hooliganism as if it's a phenomenon that only occurs in Poland. Stupid Man...you're from hooligan capital..!! Ask more intelligent questions mate..!! er,its a programe about football hooligans in Poland,what else should he have been asking????? And in answer to your question,or to turn it around, How can some so called british people be in far right groups that worship hitler and salute the nazi flag,ie most members of the BNP (go on ,sue me u tw ats,id love to be in court with u u one eyed freek.) and all the other various skin head scum bags whose grandparents were bombed by the lufftwaffe?

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Oct 11, 07, 17:02 / #
=because they are numpties not worth discussing .......

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Edited by: Grzegorz_ Oct 11, 07, 17:30 / #
Generally there are quite many nationalists in Poland but Polish nationalists not Germanic... In "far" version some of them say crap like "Adolf was bad but..." did a good thing with Jews or something similar. Real nazis also exist [there are also nazis in Israel (Jews, no kidding) so everything is possible...] but there are very, very few of them and they don't admit that openly as that obviously not a popular thing here. I saw most of that thing (there was already a topic about It few days ago) and am almost sure that a guy paid these retards to talk these bullshits - for exampel - we don't let nigers come to this pub - If you had ever been in Gorzów, you would have known that there probably have never been any black guy even trying to get into that pub. Dude simply tried to make that show as much sensational as this is possible.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Oct 11, 07, 17:34 / #
Quoting: Bartolome Even now popularity of LPR (far right-wing party, that's still in the Parliament) has been deteriorating. You may not like LPR but no way they are nazis.

_Sofi_	Oct 11, 07, 17:37 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ [there are also nazis in Israel (Jews, no kidding) so everything is possible.. wtf is wrong with people

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Oct 11, 07, 18:20 / #
he's talking about the russian teenagers charged in isreal with being neo nazis. Apparently they got into isreal because some time in the past they may have had jewish ancestors.............so no,not jewish nazis per se. although jewish far right is not much better,they just see the arabs as their zhids.....

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Oct 11, 07, 19:01 / #
english skinheads

dtaylorThreads: 15 Posts: 992 Joined: Sep 15, 07	Oct 11, 07, 19:13 / #
aaaaaaa every country has their low lives

yo yo	Oct 12, 07, 04:27 / #
the best about it is i watched it 2.he said they should do the holocaust but if they would think about it hilter would kill them 2. and scotalnd is full of zeo zazis.

_Sofi_	Oct 12, 07, 06:49 / #
Quoting: yo yo scotalnd is full of zeo zazis met one once. Stupid f***er - couldn't answer a single question we put to him when it came to it.

saddenedThreads: - Posts: 72 Joined: Oct 10, 07	Oct 12, 07, 09:44 / #
Many still dont know that the Czechs were not the happiest people before the poles in WWII see Układ monachijski.

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06	Oct 12, 07, 09:46 / #
Quoting: zibo "Real" polish skinhead won't have a hitler ringtone in the first place. That's why in my opinion Kemp dude made that up.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 12, 07, 04:47 / #
How is possible that we have Nazi movements, having in mind that Slavs were considered as sub-people by Nazi ideology? Strange phemomenon What ordinary Poles (public in general) say about it? Quoting: dtaylor aaaaaaa every country has their low lives True Few days ago in Serbia was rally of such individuals from whole Slavic countries Splitting among political parties after incidents in Novi Sad Author: ‘Blic’ Team \| 09.10.2007 - 08:00 blic.co.yu/infocus.php?id=801 Davidovic and another 58 individuals were arrested. Among them there were 11 citizens of Slovakia. The same day the police arrested in Belgrade eight Bulgarians with fascist leaflets, swastikas, fascist flags and knives. Supporters of Serbian neo-Nazis from Poland and Slovenia also tried to come to Novi Sad but were not allowed to cross the border. Where go this world?

yomommaThreads: - Posts: 4 Joined: Jun 30, 07	Oct 12, 07, 09:29 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ Real nazis also exist [there are also nazis in Israel (Jews, no kidding) so everything is possible most of them are the people who emigrated from former soviet union.in most or many cases just one of their granparents had jewish roots and that was enough to get a visa/green card ect to israel,so they are not really Jewish.

ziboThreads: - Posts: 75 Joined: Sep 25, 07	Oct 12, 07, 09:43 / #
i watched that movie yesterday. all 5 or 6 parts. you have to consider fact that those guys are not too well educated and don't have jobs, you can see that the way they talk and act. remember that this program was about hooligans not skinheads, and 99.9% of hooligans' IQ is below 0, especially in towns like Gorzow. I met few really well educated skinheads in Warsaw, much diiferent from what you can see in that video. "Real" polish skinhead won't have a hitler ringtone in the first place.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Oct 12, 07, 09:50 / #
Quoting: zibo hitler ringtone such an abomination exist?!?

_Sofi_	Oct 12, 07, 09:51 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ That's why in my opinion Kemp dude made that up. c'mon what REAL reason does he have to do that

ziboThreads: - Posts: 75 Joined: Sep 25, 07	Oct 12, 07, 09:52 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ That's why in my opinion Kemp dude made that up. well, look at those swastikas he had in his house and 88 tshirts, they really may be polish nazis.

ziboThreads: - Posts: 75 Joined: Sep 25, 07	Oct 12, 07, 09:53 / #
Quoting: Crow such an abomination exist?!? you can make everything these days, but i dunno where he got that ****.

ziboThreads: - Posts: 75 Joined: Sep 25, 07	Oct 12, 07, 09:55 / #
Quoting: JamesLondon .I cannot fathom how a slav , who was considered Untermensch (Sub-human) by Hitler and his cohorts , literally worship the man and his ideology? Am I missing something here? his grand father may be german, or grand grand. They are from Gorzow, not too farm from german border.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 12, 07, 10:17 / #
Quoting: zibo Quoting: Crow such an abomination exist?!? you can make everything these days, but i dunno where he got that ****. crazy staff that Hitler ringtone, I can tell you man. I can`t imagine even that somebody invent rington of Sloba, Franja, Alia, Luka (dictators of Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Byelorussia- some former, some still) or of any other politician/dictator. Imagine that some Pole say that has Kachinski first public speach ringtome or that some Russian guy say that has Putin`s from the days of KGB or airplane. Just imagine BDW, is there also Musolini ringtone... you now... something in stile `io sono fascisto`.

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Oct 12, 07, 17:34 / #
Quoting: _Sofi_ c'mon what REAL reason does he have to do that maybe the Mitchel twins are secret polonophobes or some such crap. I tell you ross kemp may be a bit of a tit but these docs' he's done have rightly won him some awards. Seriously,why do you think there is some conspiricy to make up nazi stuff about modern poland,nazi tossers are everywhere,thats kinda the point. If your a nazi or a skin your a brain dead toss pot and every country has its share of those.

HuegThreads: 1 Posts: 428 Joined: Apr 16, 07	Oct 12, 07, 19:25 / #
folks aren't any political power in Poland and hopefully will never be. I just saw the repeat tonight at one point RK says that a Skinhead/Hoolie is now Vice-Minister for Sport in Poland. True?

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Oct 12, 07, 19:48 / #
Quoting: Hueg I just saw the repeat tonight at one point RK says that a Skinhead/Hoolie is now Vice-Minister for Sport in Poland. True? no, there was one photo made for him with scarf of Widzew Łódz when he was 18, and he didnt look "inteligent" on this photo ;) , but I havent heard that he is skinhead ...

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Oct 12, 07, 23:37 / #
Quoting: dtaylor aaaaaaa every country has their low lives my sentiments excactly. Quoting: _Sofi_ wtf is wrong with people again, I feel the same..

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07	Edited by: Lukasz Oct 14, 07, 13:34 / #
I have just watched whole reportage. So as to hooligans, it is true. as to this skinheads, yes I think most of skinheads are hools, but they are miniority in hooli society, I think thats why Ross had to go to Gorzow (still unsuccesful town) to see situation in the Pub, and I have noticed that those skinheads werent respected on stadium and on the street ... Some times I go to watch the game in Poznan (Lech Poznan) the team mentioned in this reportage, so I have to say that I havent noticed any political slogans there, and Lech Poznan hools are well know as the best in "fist to fist" fights. As I know when they want to fight they make agreement with other hoolies and fight somewhere in forest . Riots happens as well but I have seen only one on stadium in Poznan ... As to Cracow ... yes there is more serius problem ... and this is fact, and the influence of "Nowa Huta" is noticable (mentioned in reportage)

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1,345 Joined: Sep 14, 06	Edited by: Bartolome Oct 14, 07, 14:15 / #
Quoting: Grzegorz_ You may not like LPR but no way they are nazis. Read my post again and try to understand it.

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1,345 Joined: Sep 14, 06	Edited by: Bartolome Oct 14, 07, 14:28 / #
Quoting: Hueg I just saw the repeat tonight at one point RK says that a Skinhead/Hoolie is now Vice-Minister for Sport in Poland. True? He used to be a hoolie and member of LPR youth organisation. Then, after PiS stroke the deal with Samoobrona and said LPR scum to gain the majority in Sejm and therefore get to power, some of these lowlifes got their little seats in the Government. Hopefully, incoming elections will kick their ar$e$ out of power.