Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics

Russia to outlaw criticism of WWII tactics
The Russian government is to outlaw criticism of Soviet military tactics during the Second World War in the latest example of its heavy-handed approach to dissent.

Sergei Shoigu, the emergency situations minister, has called for a law that would make it a criminal offence to suggest that the Soviet Union did not win the War

Mr Shoigu indicated that the legislation would also seek to punish eastern European or former Soviet states which deny they were liberated by the Red Army. The leaders of those countries could be banned from Russian soil, he said.

"It has become the fashion to smear the heroic deeds of the Soviet people and to defame the Soviet way of life," said Ivan Korbutov, a retired general who heads the Russian council of war veterans. "Such actions, orchestrated at the behest of the West to discredit our glorious past, must be brought to court and the journalists responsible punished."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/4943814/Russia -to-outlaw-criticism-of-WWII-tactics.html

a civilized state

The Gulag Archipelago

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

lol Do you think the people will react to this and if you do how?

Our soldiers were heroes

The ordinary Red Army soldiers

The ordinary Red Army soldiers were heroes

We owe the Red Army a huge debt of gratitude and respect for that sacrifice;

The ordinary Red Army soldiers were heroes if it wasn't for their enormous blood sacrifice the Germans would never have been defeated in the East. We owe the Red Army a huge debt of gratitude and respect for that sacrifice;

They've liberated Poland

They Occupied Poland and I can not blame the military that followed orders, I can blame Stalin our so called ally. One thing must be faced, Stalin never intended to have a free Poland. Right from the on set of war, Stalin made his plans known.

I can blame Stalin our so called ally. One thing must be faced, Stalin never intended to have a free Poland. Right from the on set of war, Stalin made his plans known.

They've liberated it from Germans and lets face it German plans for Poles were rather gruesome, we'd be exterminated so Russia did save us from genocide and degradation but their alternative was no rose and candy either so russian veterans can kiss my ass as far as respect and gratitude.

The Warsaw uprising, the Poles revolted against the Nazis and the Red army held back, letting the two beat each other and then came in to claim it for themselves.
That should have been an indicator as to the BIG plan.

Stalin never intended to have a free Poland.

Even the Russians that wanted to cross the river and help the Polish allies were shot if they tried

Russia was extermininating Polish. Look at the death toll on the Polish side and who was doing the killing from start, during and after the war.

Killing not exterminating

The Soviet Gulag existed neither as a single unified experience, nor as a single unified institution. This massive and lethal machine influenced the lives of millions of people from 1917-1988.

http://gulaghistory.org/

Even the Russians that wanted to cross the river and help the Polish allies were shot if they tried.

When Polish were fleeing Nazis through the tunnels it was the Soviets, our allies on the end killing the Polish coming out.

Didn't some of Berling's Polish 1st Corps paddle across the Vistula to help?

Didn't some of Berling's Polish 1st Corps paddle across the Vistula to help? But they were mown down by German fire not Soviet bullets.

Carol, if you had ever been to Warsaw you would know how laughably stupid your statement is. Really. Just look at a map of Warsaw, note where the Soviets were (right bank) and count the number of tunnels under the Wisla (none).

There were also a couple Russian liason officers that were parachuted into the Polish lines—so they weren't being gunned down by Soviets?

He meant sewers, and crossing Vistula would be pathetically easy for the Red Army, they had such number of artillery they could shield their engineers without any effort.

As i read your posts i realise that you're either covertly anti-polish or simply severely uneducated

Carol claims

meant sewers, and crossing Vistula would be pathetically easy for the Red Army, they had such number of artillery they could shield their engineers without any effort.

you're either covertly anti-polish or simply severely uneducated,

Carol knows and when US and Britian found this out they were outraged. I will find you the victims that were there and you can become educated also. :)

You are overtly anti-semitic and severely uneducated. The idea that sewers run under the Wisła reeks of stupidity.

Carol: come to Warsaw, look at the river, imagine where the Germans were and where the Soviets were. Then think about how stupid your claim is.

And where did Celinski write that there were tunnels under Vistula? He just said tunnels aka sewers and Poles were indeed evacuating via the sewers,

In order to meet the Soviets after exiting a tunnel which they had used to escape the Nazis, people would have needed to cross the river

Your stupidity is reaching levels which make your trolling very obvious, please try harder next time.

Harry please stop being so insulting? Watch, listen and learn the truth.

says not even a single word about Poles escaping Nazis, coming out of tunnels and being shot by Soviets. You are pathetic.

Stop with the lies Carol. That film (and I have watched it all, I especially liked the bit where they ignored the hundreds of non-USAAF supply flights to Warsaw)