Russia: Poland responsible for WW II

Crow:

Who would volunterely fight for Poland if Germany attacks Poland? Serbs, of course.

Who can defend Polish interests on Balkan, in south-eastern Europe better then Serbs?

you think Hungarians? They are Austrian/German player, on the first place.

Croatia? They are exclusively German player.

Slovenia? No they aren`t German player but they are German toy. Promissed German gift to Greater Croatia and they live in fear. Germany simply controls that fear.

Bulgaria? They are sometimes Russian, sometimes German player. But i think that when it is necesery and when desire so, Germany controls it.

Albania? They are Turko-Germano-Italian player. Sublimation of their interests.

Romania? They are sublimation of Russo-Franch interests in the region but, when the moment comes Russia fully controls it.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 14, 09, 22:39 / #
He has no idea how it feels to have his spiritual home taken, Crow. He doesn't know how ethnic groups fight for their very survival. I have just watched that 10-part Czech documentary on Kosovo. If he can't feel for the Serbs after that, I don't know when he can. The Albanians took it over through international help. Bush rejoicing with them 2 years ago didn't help. Still, I maintain a healthy respect for many Albos that I met.

OgorkiThreads: - Posts: 131 Joined: Aug 4, 08	Jun 14, 09, 23:16 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Germany surely didn't create the polish problem (we tried to solve it later though). The Polish problem is that Germany and Russia want it :) It will never become more compilcated than that.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 14, 09, 23:21 / #
In a nutshell, well put!! They can feck off as they have big enough countries as it is.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,778 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 14, 09, 23:23 / #
Sokrates: Hard facts BB, we have a war of cultures between us and muslims/Turks, in the future when Europe gets older and they get more agressive the issue will become burning, read up on German demographics, the most optimistic ones estimate that by 2100 there will be 50% Germans of Turkish descent, by 2050 Turks will make up between 8 and 15% of your population and eventually something will have to be done, you should know best that Turkish presence is not in Germanys best interest. Not really there is internal thingy in our culture which is more dangerous then any outside influence. Bratwurst Boy: Germany should have been wiped out and there wouldn't had been any problem ....... Your logic BB !))))

OgorkiThreads: - Posts: 131 Joined: Aug 4, 08	Jun 14, 09, 23:43 / #
Bratwurst Boy: That Europe would had been better off in the end without a Poland? If germany did not exist (or was not such an ass) Poland would today be the most powerful - most influential - and possibly richest coutry in Europe. After 1500AD her neighbours felt intimidated vulnerable and most of all jealous of Polands military - social - scientific and economic achievements. I can see why Germany (the child that it is) did not want Poland to exist :) It will never become more complicated than that.

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jun 15, 09, 00:50 / #
PlasticPole: huh? Yugoslavia at one time was one country it wasn't always Yugoslavia the way you and Crow knows it.

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jun 15, 09, 01:08 / #
Sokrates: all you did was make stuff up to fit your own silly views I presented websites to back up my point Sokrates: just like crow:) nope, Crow and his world is also your world where all of you post communist bastards come together and just feel fine like a fish in the water. Sokrates: case of invading your neighbour just like you and your ex owner the Soviets in Czechoslovakia? Bratwurst Boy: Germans felt exactly the same, thank you for your understanding! :) nope, you forgot that what they can you can not!!!lol Sokrates: Germany always made up problems are you German sokrates? You're making up problems constantly on this forum, lol.

PlasticPoleThreads: 10 Posts: 5,429 Joined: May 28, 09	Jun 15, 09, 01:17 / #
Bratwurst Boy: Well...now it seems it was only Tito's iron fist which did held the many different people together (kind of like the soviet empire). But the thing is, BB, it cannot be compared to the Soviets because the provinces are too small. The SU was much bigger. Something as small as Yugoslavia could have stayed together like it did under Tito.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 15, 09, 03:00 / #
freebird: I presented websites to back up my point Yes and i debunked your website as biased and unreliable with several sources, as basic as wikipedia or as advanced as works on archeology but you still clinged to your silly little opinions :))

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jun 15, 09, 04:37 / #
Sokrates: advanced as works on archeology who did this "advanced work on archeology", Poles?

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jun 15, 09, 08:59 / #
Germany accusing Serbs for start of WWI, Russia accusing Poland for WWII. Is this some kind of bad joke or some deal? if they are united in accusing us, maybe Poles and Serbs have to unite their efforts in order to survive. Let`s declare neutrality on current military alliances. Why Poland wouldn`t send call to Serbia to join in Visegrad Four group and then we cn transform Visegrad group into the Sarmatian alliance. Lets refuse to died in silence. Lets live!

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 15, 09, 10:49 / #
Seanus: He glorified Stalin which makes me question his sanity. The thing is Sean you're a Westerner, when i tell my friends from Germany or UK "you dont know shite about Russians" they laugh, you guys are absolutely clueless as to how Russian minds work. While its true that there's reasonable Russians Russia is a place which grew up in completely different reality, for you these people might as well come from Mars. Crow: Let`s declare neutrality on current military alliances. Why Poland wouldn`t send call to Serbia to join in Visegrad Four group and then we cn transform Visegrad group into the Sarmatian alliance. Seriously Crow what can Poland gain on an alliance with Serbia?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 15, 09, 10:54 / #
Some of us read history, Sokrates :) Have you read Solzenitzhyn's Gulag Archipelago? It's quite clear how some Russian minds work, it's not black magic you know!?

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Jun 15, 09, 18:31 / #
Sokrates: is mind boggingly alien to westerners. Not surprising at all, considering the ages under the "Iron Curtain" but thing are slowly getting better. More and more people go abroad, learn foreign languages, learn other people's culture. That opens both our mind so that we may take a sober look at what's happening in our country and yours so that you don't see us as barbarians living in place always buried under snow, bears and balalaykas. :)

freebirdThreads: 3 Posts: 638 Joined: Jun 8, 07	Jun 15, 09, 05:05 / #
Sokrates: but you still clinged to your silly little opinions :)) of course or you believe that just because you named yourself "Sokrates" it makes you automatically as smart as he was? you're a joke.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 15, 09, 10:26 / #
Although Putin and Medvedev were not really serious in their threat to point missiles at Poland, they have to be careful. The thing with Russia is, they play poker well. Putin, for all his foibles, is a skilful tactician and he knows that the Balkan state of Serbia isn't a Baltic state so he loses interest. Putin is still very interested in the Caucasus and Baltic states. He glorified Stalin which makes me question his sanity.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 15, 09, 10:57 / #
Seanus: Have you read Solzenitzhyn's Gulag Archipelago? Boring like hell but guess i can appreciate it. Seanus: it's not black magic you know!? The way Western Europe does business with Russia you'd think it is.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jun 15, 09, 11:02 / #
I think he summed up the feelings of many Russians under the oppressive regime then. Yeah, it was worse than watching paint dry or potatoes grow but he got his sentiments out into the open by slipping under the radar. Well, I don't speak for business people. They have their own agendas. Russians have more cunning, they are not afraid to be sly. Americans are more direct in their approach.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Jun 15, 09, 17:49 / #
Sokrates: While its true that there's reasonable Russians Russia is a place which grew up in completely different reality, for you these people might as well come from Mars. And vice versa. Every "planet" after all has itc pros and cons. Certainly you can tell what works better personally for you but you never can generalize.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jun 15, 09, 18:08 / #
Sasha: And vice versa. Every "planet" after all has itc pros and cons. Certainly you can tell what works better personally for you but you never can generalize. I didnt say it in the context that Russians are worse in some general way but you have to admit what makes you country tick is mind boggingly alien to westerners.

ZIMMYThreads: 10 Posts: 2,353 Joined: Feb 21, 09	Jun 15, 09, 18:58 / #
Seanus: Solzenitzhyn's Gulag Archipelago This is 'MUST READING' for anyone who wants to understand what happened in Russia, and how cruel the human mind can be. Sokrates: Boring like hell but guess i can appreciate it. Wrong! It is most interesting reading. I would also recommend "The Captive Mind" by Czeslaw Milosz. I'm not sure if westerners can totally comprehend it though.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jun 15, 09, 20:14 / #
Poljaci better annul Kosovo recognition and correct it what that traitor Tusk did to Racowie. Better support Serbs while isn`t too late. Who would help you Poels in time of your need? Who, if not Serbians? Who would destabilize Russia if Russia moves against Poland? Serbs, of course. Who would volunterely fight for Poland if Germany attacks Poland? Serbs, of course. Who can defend Polish interests on Balkan, in south-eastern Europe better then Serbs? you think Hungarians? They are Austrian/German player, on the first place. Croatia? They are exclusively German player. Slovenia? No they aren`t German player but they are German toy. Promissed German gift to Greater Croatia and they live in fear. Germany simply controls that fear. Bulgaria? They are sometimes Russian, sometimes German player. But i think that when it is necesery and when desire so, Germany controls it. Albania? They are Turko-Germano-Italian player. Sublimation of their interests. Romania? They are sublimation of Russo-Franch interests in the region but, when the moment comes Russia fully controls it. but Serbians. They are Sarmatians to the core, they wait for Poland. Serbs regard Russian interests when those interests aren`t on the account of Poland. Serbian stance on Russians strongly depend from Russin stance on Poles. So, Serbs are only nation in the region which don`t obey to anybody. That`s why from time to time all powers punishing us. What is it Poles? You wants to live forever? to died in silence regarded as sub-people from your false friends on so called west? to did in eternal fear from Russians? i say, its better to chose to defend your authentic interests. And what is it? life in dignity, i would say. Yes, independance too. You see, you need Serbs. Good news is that Serbians still stand. Bad news is that they won`t be able to endure without dirrect Polish intervention.... and, for start that is... just annul Kosovo recognition and leave other things to us. Serbs knows that Poland was manipulated and blackmailed to recognize separation of Kosovo. Serbs are aware that Poles aren`t happy for stubbed us in the back. Serbs knows eveything... just annul Kosovo recognition. Sokrates: Seriously Crow what can Poland gain on an alliance with Serbia? you would like to learn that? in short... Serbs are only thing that can make that Poland become superpower. Only Serbs can help to Poland in this matter. Only Serbs. Those who killing us, on the long run killing Polish hopes.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jun 15, 09, 20:32 / #
Crow: Who would help you Poels in time of your need? Who, if not Serbians? I always wondered about that...can you tell me some examples when Serbia came to Polands help? Crow: Who would destabilize Russia if Russia moves against Poland? Serbs, of course. When ever had Serbia "destabilized" Russia? And if you want to how would you try to achieve it? Crow: Who would volunterely fight for Poland if Germany attacks Poland? Serbs, of course. Erm.... Crow: Who can defend Polish interests on Balkan, in south-eastern Europe better then Serbs? What are polish interests in the Balkan? Crow: Germany simply controls that fear. How??? Crow: ...but Serbians. ...they wait for Poland Do do what exactly??? Crow: to died in silence regarded as sub-people from your false friends on so called west? Last time I looked the country looked very much alive and flourishing...not some isolated pariah... Crow: to did in eternal fear from Russians? I wouldn't call it "fear" :) Crow: You see, you need Serbs. For what exactly? Crow: just annul Kosovo recognition And then? What would that change??? Would that make a serbian tiny minority a majority again? Isn't it rather so that YOU want something from Poland but can give nothing back...why don't you start with "destabilizing" Russia in the meantime! Crow: Sokrates: Seriously Crow what can Poland gain on an alliance with Serbia? you would like to learn that? in short... Serbs are only thing that can make that Poland become superpower You are just now BEGGING Poland to annul the Kosovo recognition as you can't even do a darn thing for yourself in this case but you promise Poland you can make it a super power???? Yeah...suuuuuuuure.... Crow: Those who killing us, on the long run killing Polish hopes. What hopes would that be?

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,778 Joined: Feb 26, 09	Jun 15, 09, 20:47 / #
Crow: in short... Serbs are only thing that can make that Poland become superpower. Only Serbs can help to Poland in this matter. Only Serbs. Those who killing us, on the long run killing Polish hopes. I seriously cannot picture it! Serbs were not able to hold together Yugoslavia, they need help I'm sure but helping back - stop kidding yourself Crow!

rockThreads: 6 Posts: 1,490 Joined: Jun 13, 08	Jun 15, 09, 20:57 / #
Crow: Who would volunterely fight for Poland if Germany attacks Poland? Serbs, of course. Who can defend Polish interests on Balkan, in south-eastern Europe better then Serbs? you think Hungarians? They are Austrian/German player, on the first place. Croatia? They are exclusively German player. Slovenia? No they aren`t German player but they are German toy. Promissed German gift to Greater Croatia and they live in fear. Germany simply controls that fear. Bulgaria? They are sometimes Russian, sometimes German player. But i think that when it is necesery and when desire so, Germany controls it. Albania? They are Turko-Germano-Italian player. Sublimation of their interests. Romania? They are sublimation of Russo-Franch interests in the region but, when the moment comes Russia fully controls it. It seems Germans did a great job and game is over :(

PrzemasThreads: 1 Posts: 149 Joined: Dec 12, 07	Jun 15, 09, 21:03 / #
A typical Russian is one with nationalistic sword in hand drained in domestic blood physically and psychological by the slavery throughout the centuries from within and beyond. There is no greater complex on this planet than that of a Russian so proud yet so feeble.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08	Jun 15, 09, 21:10 / #
Przemas: A typical Russian is one with nationalistic sword in hand drained in domestic blood physically and psychological by the slavery throughout the centuries from within and beyond. There is no greater complex on this planet than that of a Russian so proud yet so feeble. Whatever you want... However if need an accurate view read more and visit once to say about "typical"? ;)

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jun 15, 09, 21:23 / #
well, i see. feel free to consider me naive people

PrzemasThreads: 1 Posts: 149 Joined: Dec 12, 07	Jun 15, 09, 21:30 / #
Sasha: Whatever you want... However if need an accurate view read more and visit once to say about "typical"? ;) I only find accuracy in your inferiority complex. You romanticize and celebrate the very political establishment that murdered your citizenry by the millions and now you let your rights and natural resources be held hostage by authoritarian hands that don’t distribute the wealth appropriately – you are the ultimate example of a people mired in slavery and living with a complex that centuries forth may never erode.