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Will Stalin be made a saint?


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celinskiThreads: 83
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ConstantineK:
because Russian media is the most honest and impartial media in the world.


you were kidding right Constantine?

tornado2007:
if you had held them off for more than a few days, lol, we may have made it to Poland in time to help you out.


So thats it you needed a few days to sit and rest before living up to your word?
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Borrka/Sasha:
Our second attempt to civilize Russia was Catherine Skawronska, Polish prostitute from Lithuania ex-wife of Peter I.
She became czarina of Russia too.
In Russian historiography Skawronska is hidden in the shadow of Catherine II.



She was German :)
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ConstantineK:
Fu! Praaativnaya! Suchka krashena (pronounsed with friendliness and footsie)


I know I hit a tender spot,, dont cry though, its all good.. no one blames you for
being so brainwashed.

and no to the above.. thats your job... tee hee hee heee heeeeeeeeeeeeee....
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ConstantineK:
Oh my God how idiot can the Americans be to believe in all crap, that they see in their media.

their media? zee seems to Indian.

ConstantineK:
, because Russian media is the most honest and impartial media in the world. All that it told us is true, if it says that you are evildoers, so it is.

hahahahahahahaha... smoke up smokie
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plk123:
hahahahahahahaha...



from what I hear telling the truth in the media in Russia is a good way to get yourself killed.
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celinski:
Bloody dictator Joseph Stalin could soon be named Russia's greatest man - despite his reign of terror killing 70 million of his people.


THE YOUNG STALIN

THE YOUNG AND RESTLESS IOSEF STALIN
PEWIEN PRZYJACIEL OD TEN POLSKI SPOŁECZEŃSTWO I BOHATER OD KLASA PRACUJACA
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Joe, your translator distorted this sentence awfully.
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joepilsudski:
IOSEF STALIN


I thought this picture looked familar.


Stalin and his lover aged 13

The story was too shocking to believe. But now that Stalin was dead, his successor Nikita Khrushchev decided he had to investigate the astonishing rumour about the monster's sexual depravity.

It was claimed that when he was in his 30s and before he became leader, Stalin had raped or seduced, even fathered a child with, a girl who was just 13 years old - and had been indicted for the under-age seduction by the police.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-454291/Stalin-lover-aged-13.ht ml
ConstantineKThreads: 35
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BTW, Constantine I was proclaimed saint regardless of murder his own son Crisp
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celinski:
Stalin and his lover aged 13

The story was too shocking to believe. But now that Stalin was dead, his successor Nikita Khrushchev decided he had to investigate the astonishing rumour about the monster's sexual depravity.


And you surely believe that? :))) (as this paints him bad)
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lesser:
Joe, your translator distorted this sentence awfully.

Most likely...Iosef Stalin, friend of the Polish people and defender of the working class...why not give us a better translation?
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Sasha:
as this paints him bad



I myself didn't need this as I know to well how sick Stalin was.
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celinski:
I know to well how sick Stalin was.


You know it too well. You know what I mean? :))) Nobody knows it that well.
Calm down. He's dead.
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Sasha:
You know it too well


I wish I didn't, but because I do we must make sure this never happens again.
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You're so keen on his personality that your sane points are mixed with crappy like one above (about his lover). And... even it's the truth does this help us anyhow to prevent alike things in the future (like you said)? Nope.
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Sasha:
And... even it's the truth does this help us anyhow to prevent alike things in the future (like you said)? Nope.


IMO yes, here is a child molester that Russia has in the running of the polls. To me that says alot. This along with the way he was able to murder even your own and still Russia see him as a "great human" is very sad.
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The Russian church may make him a saint, doesnt mean the RC church will recognise him as one...so outside of Russia it will mean nothing...so they can do what they like.
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celinski:
IMO yes, here is a child molester that Russia has in the running of the polls


Leave that poll alone. :) Did you hear what I was saying? One can vote as many times as he wants. That doesn't surprise me that sick bastards sitting all the day at home living fifty years back vote for him. That is NOT SERIOUS survey. Or you just want to be serious?

ShelleyS:
The Russian church may make him a saint


Yeah... and a meteorite may crush your house right now.
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is it wrong that Stalin had some sexual affairs with girl? I wish I had such strength, but alas I feel no even a sign or affectation.
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ConstantineK:
is it wrong that Stalin had some sexual affairs with girl?



In the USA this is a crime, 13 years old is not an age for a sexual relationship. It's called rape, you go to jail for it.
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celinski:
The story was too shocking to believe. But now that Stalin was dead, his successor Nikita Khrushchev decided he had to investigate the astonishing rumour about the monster's sexual depravity.


ConstantineK:
is it wrong that Stalin had some sexual affairs with girl? I wish I had such strength, but alas I feel no even a sign or affectation.



Let's be realistic here...If you are locked up in an Arctic gulag, or exile community, and you find a member of the opposite sex who you feel affection toward, where is the shock in that?...the young woman involved was all for the relationship, and women in difficult or 'frontier' type circumstances mature more rapidly than women in 'civilization'...and are usually more real and down to earth...so I wouldn't condemn Stalin for this, not at all...Mass-murder, absolutely.
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joepilsudski:
where is the shock in that?...


Not to go to far off topic, 13 year olds may seem mature but die in child birth more often. Their bodies are not ready to give birth nor are they ready to be Mom's. My daughter is 6 but I would have to say I have never met a 13 year old mature enough to be that responsable. Society sets the standard. Not to mention she was 13 when she gave birth, how old when raped?

"It was claimed that when he was in his 30s and before he became leader, Stalin had raped or seduced, even fathered a child with, a girl who was just 13 years old - and had been indicted for the under-age seduction by the police."

"Back in Siberia, the affair was no longer a secret. The statutory age of consent was 14, but it is clear from the KGB report that the sex between Stalin and Lidia was consensual."
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joepilsudski:
the young woman

It was a child.
I have often played devils advocate in an argument but some things are indefensible.
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celinski:
that the sex between Stalin and Lidia was consensual."


Do you really think there was any likelihood that a girl could resist the charm of comrade Stalin?
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ShelleyS:
The Russian church may make him a saint, doesnt mean the RC church will recognise him as one


This sainthood nonsense is,well,just nonsense regardless of whether it's the RC or Russian church. Mere mortals conferring upon other mortals supernatural/Godly powers? Give me a break! I thought only God,if there's one, had such powers?
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southern:
that a girl could resist


"Resist" is the key work here. I see that Stalin was good looking, this is skin deep. His actions were what made him a monster.

The reason I put the 2nd para was to show I was not hiding this. In the USA this does not matter "consensual" does not mean a thing, as pedofiles will even say babies asked for it. Look at your 13 year old sister, child and tell me it's ok.
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celinski:
I see that Stalin was good looking


Do I see here some kind of jealousy?
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They should make Beria saint, he was handsome boy, any woman in Moscow couldn't resist his charm. (No offence) but he may be your granda Constanti
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Do you think the Russians will make Hitler a saint too....? He didn,t kill as many Russian people as Stalin , but he is not so far behind......
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southern:
Do I see here some kind of jealousy?



lol I am female that would not be jeolouse of 13 year old. I should say he was good looking when he was younger, so why did he have to go after a child. Did the real ladies know his true dark side.
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