70th Anniversary of start of WWII

wildrover:

I have seen film of German tanks firing on Polish cavalry charging towards them , but it was more a case of the two units running into each other , rather than a futile attack by the Polish cavalry...Where the cavalry was used in an attack they did pretty well...

The 21st Armoured Battalion under Maj. Stanisław Gliński, equipped mostly with Polish TKS tankettes was ordered to counter-attack the village, along with the cavalry squadron of Captain Jerzy Hollak. In the clouds of smoke of the burning village, the Polish units accidentally drove right in the middle of a German tank column. Although the Polish tankettes were no match for some of the German tanks and the cavalry was very vulnerable to tank fire, the confusion in German ranks prevented the German commander from responding quickly enough. The Polish units managed to break through the German column with negligible losses and seized the forest to the Northwest of Mokra. This manoeuvre is sometimes referred to as a charge of Polish cavalry on German tanks, although no charge was planned nor executed.

The losses on both sides were quite high. The Germans lost approximately 800 men (killed, missing, captured or seriously wounded), and between 100 and 160 AFVs (at least 50 of them tanks). The Polish brigade lost 200 killed and 300 wounded, as well as 300 horses and several guns.

Eagle20Threads: 34 Posts: 130 Joined: Dec 12, 07	Jan 4, 09, 07:11 / #
Can anyone tell me if anything has been or is being planned for the 70th Anniversary of start of WWII (2009) in Poland ? What happend in Poland on the 60th?

noimmigration	Jan 4, 09, 07:14 / #
Why would the poles celebrate being crushed, conquered and defeated by the germans. ?

Eagle20Threads: 34 Posts: 130 Joined: Dec 12, 07	Jan 4, 09, 08:31 / #
I didn't write "celebrate".

PolskaManThreads: 3 Posts: 177 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Jan 4, 09, 11:29 / #
Sorry im not sure what will happend but there should be alot of ceremonies.noimmigration shut up Polish soldiers fought bravely being out numbered yet they killed more germans then the number of people they had.Did you listen to sabaton 40-1 that should explain to you.And if the russians and slovaks [they attacked from the south] did not attack we could of holded the germans off and more poles would join the army.And germans captured by Poles had to release them because Britain was trying to make peace.Learn history before you post

noimmigration	Edited by: noimmigration Jan 4, 09, 11:39 / #
PolskaMan: Sorry im not sure what will happend but there should be alot of ceremonies.noimmigration shut up Polish soldiers fought bravely being out numbered yet they killed more germans then the number of people they had.Did you listen to sabaton 40-1 that should explain to you.And if the russians and slovaks [they attacked from the south] did not attack we could of holded the germans off and more poles would join the army.And germans captured by Poles had to release them because Britain was trying to make peace.Learn history before you post I love it when poles try to excuse their miserable failures. Poland was annihalated in a manner of weeks by the german forces. There is nothing shameful about being a nation of people who are not known for their fighting capabilities. I am sure poland can do lots of things better than fighting wars and battles. I actually watched a documentary on the history channel, polish men and woman were throwing flowers and kissing british and american soldiers when they liberated the conquered poles.

HatefulBunch397Threads: - Posts: 1,018 Joined: Nov 5, 08	Jan 4, 09, 12:13 / #
noimmigration: I love it when poles try to excuse their miserable failures. Poland was annihalated in a manner of weeks by the german forces. There is nothing shameful about being a nation of people who are not known for their fighting capabilities. Why are you so hateful toward Poles?

PolskaManThreads: 3 Posts: 177 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Jan 4, 09, 12:13 / #
Sorry but what part of Poland did the Brits or Americans liberate? If it wasnt for Poland Europe could of been muslim If it wasnt for Poland Europe would be full of communism, After just becoming a country again in 1918 we fought the biggest army in europe and still one.Please stop reading propaganda

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jan 4, 09, 12:38 / #
2009 a Year of Anniversaries in Europe Other than the 70th anniversary of the start of the Second World War, which began when Hitler's troops marched into Poland on Sept. 1, 1939, next year also marks the 20th anniversary of the fall of communism across central Europe. Starting with democratic elections in Poland in June 1989, the year of change across central Europe culminated in November of that year with the fall of the Berlin Wall. That event became a symbol of the end of the Cold War and Europe's post-war divide. http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3895090,00.html

noimmigration	Jan 4, 09, 12:41 / #
PolskaMan: If it wasnt for Poland Europe could of been muslim If it wasnt for Poland Europe would be full of communism, After just becoming a country again in 1918 we fought the biggest army in europe and still one LOL ahhh bless them. They saved europe from communisn, muslims and the germans. I am sure you poles are very tough and strong and we EU members are very, very lucky to have your big, tough polish army amongst our ranks.

PolskaManThreads: 3 Posts: 177 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Jan 4, 09, 12:49 / #
noimmigration: They saved europe from communisn, muslims and the germans I dont recall saying Poland saving Europe from germans this proves how stupid you are when its written down right infront of you!

EurolaThreads: 6 Posts: 2,647 Joined: Dec 2, 06	Jan 4, 09, 12:55 / #
polskaman, don't bother with nonimmi. He is a putz and a bouncing ball everybody likes to kick walking by...most people don't pay attention to his posts.

PrinceThreads: 26 Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 4, 08	Edited by: Prince Jan 4, 09, 13:13 / #
welshguyinpola: Please can someone telmme if the story of the Polish cavalry waving swords at german Panzers is true. I'm not being anti-polish, a Polish guy himself told me this but I am not very versed in history to be able to confirm it It is not true. Only americans durring WWII had more or less fully mechanized army,. Poland in 1939 had airplains and tanks... Poland had cavalery units but horses were used only to transport like in Fench, German and British army. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7TP The 7TP was the Polish light tank of the Second World War. A development of the British Vickers 6-ton, it was significantly better armed than its most common opponents, the German Panzer I and Panzer II. A standard tank of the Polish Army during the Polish Defensive War of 1939 Łoś http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL.37_Łoś The PZL.37 Łoś (Polish: moose) was a Polish twin-engine medium bomber, used in the Invasion of Poland in 1939. Thanks to the laminar-flow wing it was one of the most modern bombers in the world before World War II. Germans had more tanks and plains ... and our border was very hard to defence. This story about cavalery against tanks is mith...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jan 4, 09, 13:21 / #
Going to graves would be a good touch. Honouring the noble dead is a good cause. And also a sign alongside the 'Arbeit Macht Frei' saying, Go Stick It!! I feel like Dexter, the need to take out evil in this world.

polishcanuckThreads: 10 Posts: 583 Joined: Feb 11, 07	Jan 4, 09, 16:04 / #
Seanus: I feel like Dexter I didn't think you watched this show, seanus. As for the anniversary, i think it's a bit too early for that - there's still 9 long months to go.

welshguyinpolaThreads: 32 Posts: 462 Joined: Jan 9, 08	Edited by: welshguyinpola Jan 4, 09, 13:05 / #
Please can someone telmme if the story of the Polish cavalry waving swords at german Panzers is true. I'm not being anti-polish, a Polish guy himself told me this but I am not very versed in history to be able to confirm it

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07	Jan 4, 09, 13:09 / #
welshguyinpola: Polish cavalry waving swords at german Panzers is true. no it is not true.

PolskaManThreads: 3 Posts: 177 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Jan 4, 09, 13:12 / #
They did not use swords against panzers they used anti-tank guns and cannons it is just a myth when Polish calvary ran into a colum of german panzers ,But they did use swords against a motorized bridage,Its funny how the horses ran faster then the bridages motorcycles

wildroverThreads: 180 Posts: 8,188 Joined: Jun 7, 07	Jan 4, 09, 13:19 / #
I have seen film of German tanks firing on Polish cavalry charging towards them , but it was more a case of the two units running into each other , rather than a futile attack by the Polish cavalry...Where the cavalry was used in an attack they did pretty well...

PrinceThreads: 26 Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 4, 08	Edited by: Prince Jan 4, 09, 13:39 / #
wildrover: I have seen film of German tanks firing on Polish cavalry charging towards them , but it was more a case of the two units running into each other , rather than a futile attack by the Polish cavalry...Where the cavalry was used in an attack they did pretty well... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mokra The 21st Armoured Battalion under Maj. Stanisław Gliński, equipped mostly with Polish TKS tankettes was ordered to counter-attack the village, along with the cavalry squadron of Captain Jerzy Hollak. In the clouds of smoke of the burning village, the Polish units accidentally drove right in the middle of a German tank column. Although the Polish tankettes were no match for some of the German tanks and the cavalry was very vulnerable to tank fire, the confusion in German ranks prevented the German commander from responding quickly enough. The Polish units managed to break through the German column with negligible losses and seized the forest to the Northwest of Mokra. This manoeuvre is sometimes referred to as a charge of Polish cavalry on German tanks, although no charge was planned nor executed. The losses on both sides were quite high. The Germans lost approximately 800 men (killed, missing, captured or seriously wounded), and between 100 and 160 AFVs (at least 50 of them tanks). The Polish brigade lost 200 killed and 300 wounded, as well as 300 horses and several guns.

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1,786 Joined: Jul 20, 06	Edited by: Matyjasz Jan 4, 09, 13:43 / #
noimmigration: There is nothing shameful about being a nation of people who are not known for their fighting capabilities. Yeah, I guess you should know that, innit? :)

PolskaManThreads: 3 Posts: 177 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Jan 4, 09, 13:45 / #
Hahaha i think hes jelous of our victories

PolskaManThreads: 3 Posts: 177 Joined: Jan 3, 09	Jan 4, 09, 14:12 / #
But every year on September first in Poland there are always ceremonies at the unknown soldiers grave in Warsaw

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jan 4, 09, 16:18 / #
Yeah, definitely too early

fredexThreads: 2 Posts: 40 Joined: Nov 26, 08	Jan 4, 09, 16:28 / #
Yes I believe for the 70th anniversary the U.S. is going to install a anti missile defense system in Poland .

Wahldo	Jan 4, 09, 16:32 / #
fredex: U.S. is going to install a anti missile defense system in Poland . ughhh.. very touchy subject here, man.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jan 4, 09, 16:34 / #
The idea of defence is nice at this time but we all know that it goes a little deeper than that and is a hot potato.

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1,786 Joined: Jul 20, 06	Jan 4, 09, 16:35 / #
Well I don't know about Poland but I truly hope that the Germans aren't planning anything big this time.

fredexThreads: 2 Posts: 40 Joined: Nov 26, 08	Jan 4, 09, 16:36 / #
Yes I can see why , I think it is a bad move ! why does the Polish Government agree with it ????

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1,786 Joined: Jul 20, 06	Jan 4, 09, 16:42 / #
fredex: Yes I can see why , I think it is a bad move ! why does the Polish Government agree with it ???? Well we disagreed the last time but you know how the Germans are. ;)

fredexThreads: 2 Posts: 40 Joined: Nov 26, 08	Jan 4, 09, 16:46 / #
What does this have to do with the Germans ? Poland should run Poland .