porzeczka: As far as I remember, according to you, Poles always have to take collective responsibility and pay for alleged, even hundreds years old crimes, contrary to 'morally superior' Ukrainians.
Nathan: By early 1943 the OUN had entered into open armed conflict with Nazi Germany. In 1944, the OUN formally "rejected racial and ethnic exclusivity"[73] Despite the allegations of the UPA's involvement in the killing of Jews and earlier anti-Jewish statements by the OUN, there were cases of Jewish participation within the ranks of UPA, some of whom held high positions. Jewish participation included fighters[104] but was particularly visible among its medical personnel. These included Dr. Margosh, who headed UPA-West's medical service, Dr. Marksymovich, who was the Chief Physician of the UPA's officer school, and Dr. Abraham Kum, the director of an underground hospital in the Carpathians. The latter individual was the recipient of the UPA's Golden Cross of Merit. A Jewish woman, Stella Krenzbach, the daughter of a rabbi and a Zionist, joined the UPA as a nurse and intelligence agent. She was arrested by the Soviets and sentenced to death after having been tortured, but was liberated from the Soviet prison by the UPA. She crossed over the Carpathians along with other UPA soldiers and in her memoirs, written in Israel, wrote " I attribute the fact that I am alive today and devoting all the strength of my thirty-eight years to a free Israel only to God and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. I became a member of the heroic UPA on 7 November 1943. In our group I counted twelve Jews, eight of whom were doctors." [105] One Ukrainian historian has claimed that almost every UPA unit included Jewish support personnel. Many Jewish families were sheltered by the UPA.[106] Soviet propaganda complained about Zionist membership in UPA [103] and described the alleged connection between Jewish and Ukrainian nationalists during the period of persecution of Jews in the early 1950s.[107]
Nathan: According to a report to the Chief of the Security Police in Berlin dated March 30, 1942, "...it has been clearly established that the Bandera movement provided forged passports not only for its own members, but also for Jews.".[101][103]
Nathan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#Jewish_rel ations Something I re-post again for you, Porzeczka, if you missed it.
porzeczka: Through 1943 nationalists guerrillas, wherever they gained control, continued to hunt down Jews who survived Nazi extermination. In neighboring Rivne, according to a captured activist, the Bandera troops literally haunted for Jews, organizing round ups and combing the forest paths, ravines etc. Following your source, I found out that this statement was taken from the INTERROGATION of Vladimir Solov'ev. Why and by whom this man was interrogated, who is he I couldn't find anywhere. The only thing I can add is the fact that in the Soviet Union there were many "interrogations" like that and people signed whatever broken ribs and beaten-off kidneys could have made you to sign. Was he a historian? Where and by whom was conducted this interrogation? Where I can read more about the life of this man, Porzeczka? How did it happen that some Jewish people who fought for Ukrainian independance (of course, they were born in Ukraine and were Ukrainians) got ones of the heighest medals of UPA, like Dr. Abraham Kum - Golden Cross of Merit (most of ethnic Ukrainians got a medal only post-humously)? Why has OUN forged passports for Jewish? Why they saved their fighter Stella Krenzbach from torture and death in the Soviet prison? I tell you why. Because UPA had nothing to do with so-called round-ups and hunting for Jews (do you really believe that UPA had nothing better to do, fighting Nazi Germans, Russian NKVD far superior in numbers and attacked instead doctors and innocent kids, old grandpas and pregnant women like some like to put it?). I wouldn't deny killings of collaborators among which were Jews, Ukrainians, Polish and so on. You work with the enemy - you are an enemy. Do you disagree?
porzeczka: As far as I remember, according to you, Poles always have to take collective responsibility and pay for alleged, even hundreds years old crimes, contrary to 'morally superior' Ukrainians. Payments and responsibility goes for you just to shut you up, because you always feel innocent like a virgin lily in a swamp. I just show you that you are as dirty as everybody else, take you down from the fluffy clouds and put with the face where we all belong :) And never in my life I said that my nation is superior to any other nation, moreover in morality. If you say that, please, quote me - I am eager to see that.
Regarding psychopathy - does it matter whether you are genetically psycopathic (if gene of psychopathy happens to exist) or you are a psychopath due to the environmental factors? Killing a human being on a regular basis causes psychopathic damage to your conscienceness even if it wasn't there before.
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