wildrover: Err wasn,t me that said that.....
Przepraszam wildrover. I honestly don't know why your name popped up, I quoted 1 jola, or so I thought. If anything, I owe you a beer.
wildrover: So you don't think the East German Stasi had anything to do with the KGB or the Soviets?
Wow!
MarcinK: since those organizations where in one way or another dependent or subservient to the Soviets
I guess I should of said, 'affiliates' instead of 'one long arm of the KGB'.
1jola: Murdering priests and students is soft for you?
No, murdering priests and students isn't soft, but low and cowardly for me. The degree and extent to where actions such as those where carried out decreased tremendously compared to the period prior to the mid 70's and on into the 80's, so yeah they became rather soft, which is why I said they relied more on black mail, bargaining and bribes than torture and murder, less effective. After Popiełuszko's murder, no esbek would dare even mention where he worked, one of the reasons they became 'unimportant', because people where disgusted with them more than they were afraid of them. Compared to their 'glory days', yeah, they went very 'soft' and 'unimportant' when the threat of death and even the carrying of it out didn't bring the desired results.
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