Nathan: His cossacks and rebel Ukrainian peasants took the cities of Bratslav, Husiatyn, Bar, Lutsk, Kaniv, Cherkasy, and Slutsk, Babruisk, and Mahiliou in Belarus. It was in Lutsk where they killed the Polish nobility and the Catholic clergy.
Yes, murdering civilians and sacking defensless settlements, how... Ukrainian, and then Poles come and...Nathan: was forced to retreat to left-bank Ukraine, even after defeating the Poles at Bila Tserkva.
Force you to retreat since the victory at Biała Cerkiew was inconclusive and apparently you dont know that you can lose a battle but win a war, it also shows how superior our military was in that even after losing the battle you were still routed :)))Nathan: On 26 May 1596 the cossacks were surrounded by the Polish force near Lubny. After two weeks of siege, there was unrest as the cossacks began to run out of food and water. Loboda was murdered, and on 7 July 1596 Nalyvaiko was handed over to the Poles, as a condition of surrender. After Nalyvaikos surrender the Poles killed the cossacks.
Well you were dealing with a professional military, of course they were going to pursue you untill they'd destroy you, you murdered civilians you didnt expect anything else than execution afterwards surely?Nathan: Nalyvaiko was brought to Warsaw, where he was tortured and quartered and put on public display.
Again, he oversaw the murder of civilians, naturally that he was going to be tortured and executed, is there anything wrong about capital punishment for traitors and murderers?:)))Nathan: Ok, but let's look at the very major Polish victory. What were the forces of Cossacks and Polish-Lithuanians: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitwa_pod_Pi%C4%85tkiem_(1593)Cossacks - 5,000 people and 26 canons. Polish-Lithuanian - they even are ashamed to mention the # of soldiers because it consisted of army recruited from 3 Ukrainian regions.
Wait? Is it my fault that your people were stupid enough to fvck with a country that in that particular period had one of the most powerfull militaries in the world? Of course we would outgun you, outnumber you and have troops of superior quality, that only shows how much more capable in organization and development of the miltary we are to you :))))
And yet you were forced to give yourself away to Russia to avoid Polish retaliation, you didnt win freedom, wealth or liberty and Poland still took back some of its land after WW1, thats what i call a minor victory for Ukraine.
Also Nathan i think you just edited that Wiki page under battle numbers, the forces under Piławce was 30.000 Ukrainians and 25.000, not 100.000 Ukrainians and 80.000 Poles, please dont resort to lying, entire army of commonwealth was no larger than 50.000 and Ukrainians never fielded more than 70.000 men on the field and that was only once together with the Tatar force.
But if you feel you must edit wiki to suit you it must really hurt you pride that you suck so much at war :)))))))
So yes Nathan my point still stands, Ukrainians won one war against Poland (out of 9) and thats it, you won 1 war in the entire history of your people.
Poland won over 80, and not against some redneck Ukrainian peasants but against Germans, Turks, Russians, Swedes ... :)))))
I edited the page back, also Nathan if you want to read up on your history read Boris Andreychuck, he's Ukrainian and gives a pretty good account of your conflicts with Poland.
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