Are anti-NATO riots possible in Poland? NATO means

Don’t let them manipulate us! Politicians are telling us that NATO is the essential guarantee of our protection, whereas being a dangerous tool in the hands of politicians of “big business”, a serious threat for world peace and a needless commitment for the budget of the NATO countries, as well for the people themselves. Each person has got the right to influence internationals politics, which is so important for our safety. Lets express our opposition and show to government, that they need to respect us, as citizens.

In a country where the average salary is still 200 EUR and the number of poor people is growing, these young people raise the question whether it’s appropriate to spend money in armaments, and they try to explain to the elder that an antimissile shield will not lead to peace or development.

Ukraine's drive to join NATO has affected the work of its parliament. Around fifty deputies from the opposition Party of Regions blocked the rostrum on Tuesday. They put up blue and yellow balloons in the main hall of the Ukrainian Rada which read “Say NO to NATO”.

They demand that the parliament speaker withdraw his signature from a letter stating Ukraine's intention to join the alliance.

Two Anti-NATO demonstrations took place on Friday afternoon. A crowd of anarchists marched from Namesti Miru Square towards the Congress Centre - the main venue of the summit - and back, and a meeting of right-wing nationalists ended at around 4 pm on Old Town Square in the historic centre of Prague. No violence was reported from the demonstrations or those that took place on the previous days.

March 23, 2009--Hundreds of representatives are meeting in Belgrade on March 23-24 to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the U.S.-led 78-day bombing of Yugoslavia and the heroic resistance of its people and military during NATO's aggressive and illegal war. Participants came from many European countries, including Bulgaria, Belgium, Russia, Germany, Greece, Italy, Ireland, Britain, Spain, Portugal and Serbia, as well as Palestine, Angola, Brazil, Venezuela and the United States.

In 1999, thousands of courageous students rallied at huge rock concerts on bridges the U.S. and its NATO allies were bombing in Belgrade. Wearing shirts emblazoned with bull's-eyes, they protested the criminal NATO violation of Yugoslavia's sovereignty, proclaiming themselves "NATO targets."

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 [Suspended]	Jul 22, 09, 08:56 / #
środa, 18 luty 2009 Kraków: 19-20 lutego 2009 - antyszczyt NATO http://fakrakow.wordpress.com/2009/02/12/krakow-19-20-lutego-2009-anty szczyt-nato/ 19-20 lutego odbędzie się w Krakowie szczyt ministrów obrony krajów Paktu Północnoatlantyckiego. Politycy po raz kolejny będą nam wmawiać, że jest on niezbędnym gwarantem bezpieczeństwa... sobota, 21 luty 2009 Złota Myśl 19 : Nato = legalny terroryzm http://positi.blogspot.com/2009/02/zota-mysl-19-nato-legalny-terroryzm .html

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,833 Joined: Apr 11, 08	Jul 22, 09, 10:59 / #
Except for a handful of loony-left anarchists and peaceniks, which provide little mroe than a bit of political folklore, NATO enjoys the overwhelming support of the Polish people. Membership of the North Atlantic Alliance has given Poland the kind of security it has never enjoyed in a thousand years.

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Polonius3: NATO enjoys the overwhelming support of the Polish people but, are there issues where attitude of great majority of Polish people stands confronted with aims of influental NATO countries? If answer is positive, then what should Polish people do? Give up to satisfy necesities of leading NATO countries? But, is it posssible to Poles to give up always when it is suitable to France, Britain, Germany, USA or Turkey, for example?

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Cracow, Poland: Anti-NATO protests, February 19-20 Saturday, February 14 2009 @ 04:24 PM CST http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=200902140843482 Don’t let them manipulate us! Politicians are telling us that NATO is the essential guarantee of our protection, whereas being a dangerous tool in the hands of politicians of “big business”, a serious threat for world peace and a needless commitment for the budget of the NATO countries, as well for the people themselves. Each person has got the right to influence internationals politics, which is so important for our safety. Lets express our opposition and show to government, that they need to respect us, as citizens. 20 February 2009 Anti NATO Demonstration in Cracow http://www.european-left.org/english/home/news_archive/news_archive/ar tikel/anti-nato-demonstration-in-cracow/ In a country where the average salary is still 200 EUR and the number of poor people is growing, these young people raise the question whether it’s appropriate to spend money in armaments, and they try to explain to the elder that an antimissile shield will not lead to peace or development. UKRAINE Ukrainian anti-NATO balloon show 12 February, 2008, 19:50 http://www.russiatoday.ru/Top_News/2008-02-12/Ukrainian_anti-NATO_ball oon_show.html Ukraine's drive to join NATO has affected the work of its parliament. Around fifty deputies from the opposition Party of Regions blocked the rostrum on Tuesday. They put up blue and yellow balloons in the main hall of the Ukrainian Rada which read “Say NO to NATO”. They demand that the parliament speaker withdraw his signature from a letter stating Ukraine's intention to join the alliance. CZECH REPUBLIC Anti-NATO protests http://www.radio.cz/en/news/34810 Two Anti-NATO demonstrations took place on Friday afternoon. A crowd of anarchists marched from Namesti Miru Square towards the Congress Centre - the main venue of the summit - and back, and a meeting of right-wing nationalists ended at around 4 pm on Old Town Square in the historic centre of Prague. No violence was reported from the demonstrations or those that took place on the previous days. SERBIA Anti-NATO forces in Serbia mark 10th year since bombing of Yugoslavia By Heather Cottin, Belgrade, Serbia http://www.iacenter.org/balkans/yugoslavia032809/ March 23, 2009--Hundreds of representatives are meeting in Belgrade on March 23-24 to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the U.S.-led 78-day bombing of Yugoslavia and the heroic resistance of its people and military during NATO's aggressive and illegal war. Participants came from many European countries, including Bulgaria, Belgium, Russia, Germany, Greece, Italy, Ireland, Britain, Spain, Portugal and Serbia, as well as Palestine, Angola, Brazil, Venezuela and the United States. In 1999, thousands of courageous students rallied at huge rock concerts on bridges the U.S. and its NATO allies were bombing in Belgrade. Wearing shirts emblazoned with bull's-eyes, they protested the criminal NATO violation of Yugoslavia's sovereignty, proclaiming themselves "NATO targets."

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 23, 09, 12:05 / #
Listen to NATO Gone Wild. It's a 4-part discussion between Alex Jones and Prof Michel Chossudovsky. This shows NATO aggression. The missile shield is lunacy and I'm angry that Poland could have done this. They agreed to it. Kaczyński at least stalled and sought to eke out the maximum benefit. As the Prof above said, that could've led to WWIII. Can't Poles see the bigger picture? Secure Georgia and Turkey and then the endgame is the rundown through the other side of the Caucasus.

tornado2007Threads: 20 Posts: 3,497 Joined: Jul 11, 07	Jul 23, 09, 19:31 / #
Crow: UKRAINE Crow: SERBIA Crow: CZECH REPUBLIC Yeah NATO are shaking in their boots, we've got some serious world powers in that list :):):) Give it a rest crow, a few central/eastern European nations let their minority protest against NATO. It means nothing and will achieve nothing :):)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 23, 09, 20:09 / #
Seanus: This shows NATO aggression. The missile shield is lunacy Well...other Nato countries (like Germany) were not happy about that either. How would you call that??? The missile shield was a brain child of the Bushies, eagerly supported by polish politicians, they also wanted Georgia in but in the end the other members stopped that...so stop blaming the whole NATO for it!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 23, 09, 21:15 / #
BB, first point. I was alluding to NATO aggression on other fronts and not the missile shield. I'd call that my point. I'm not blaming the whole of NATO for the missile shield as it was more of a bilateral, rather than multilateral, agreement. You know as well as I know that the Ukraine/Georgia issue is like a hot poker against Russia, to be prodded as and when they see fit.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 23, 09, 22:44 / #
I just get pimples at wholesale crowish generalizations aka "the Nato is agressive" etc. You should know better Sean... Seanus: You know as well as I know that the Ukraine/Georgia issue is like a hot poker against Russia, to be prodded as and when they see fit. Of course I know...remember the hot discussions here on this board? The Nato was split over this but the cool heads prevailed, looking through the maneuvre by Saakashwili. Georgia is nowhere nearer becoming a member than before...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 23, 09, 23:05 / #
It would seem to be that way but my soldier friend said that there are more wargames there than meets the eye. Georgia mark II is ready to be unleashed.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 23, 09, 23:47 / #
Hmm...to a certain extent yes. Obama still patronises with his carrot and stick approach. He really scuppered his chances of meeting Ahmedinejad when there was suspected meddling in Iranian internal affairs.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 [Suspended]	Jul 24, 09, 07:46 / #
Seanus: He really scuppered his chances of meeting Ahmedinejad when there was suspected meddling in Iranian internal affairs. Why do you think USA is interested in talking to Iran?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 24, 09, 08:00 / #
Because Obama has actually provisionally pencilled in talks for the end of the year. It depends how things go with Netanyahu and the settlement issue. Diplomacy was the new tack of the US administration.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jul 23, 09, 23:12 / #
Seanus: #23 It would seem to be that way but my soldier friend said that there are more wargames there than meets the eye. Georgia mark II is ready to be unleashed. Well...no Bushie around anymore...this confrontation ideology got just weakened!

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Polonius3: Membership of the North Atlantic Alliance has given Poland the kind of security it has never enjoyed in a thousand years. I think it's no time to draw any conclusion. Poland has had a larger periods when Polish people felt safer and more secured as it is now. This is just a drop in the ocean of history which in its turn will show the best and clear up all the mess. By the way history has taught us that everything that has the description "military" in front ends up in a war and people may only pray it won't touch their country. Polonius3: NATO enjoys the overwhelming support of the Polish people Errare humanum est.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Jul 24, 09, 21:12 / #
NATO was a representative symbol of security for Poles. I guess that many are not familiar with the whole content of the treaty but were taken by the fact that it was an extension of solidarity between nations. I must stress that Poland doesn't pay too much heed to the geopolitical aspects of NATO. In fact, many of NATO's drives are not in the Polish interest. NATO has a longer history than bilateral pacts which fall apart rather quickly. Poland needed such a sustainable commitment to the objectives of mutual concerns for security. Don't worry, Crow, I'm not a NATO spokesman, far from it. NATO packaged their offerings very well and Poland went for it. Don't look far beyond symbolism, Crowie.

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