British ambassador to Poland accused of “ignorance” for supporting gay rights

[June 11th, 2009

The British ambassador to Poland has been accused of ‘representing the homosexual lobby’ after he gave a booklet on LGBT rights to a Polish gay rights leader.

“Ambassador Todd has exceeded his authority,” Janusz Kochanowski, the Polish civil rights ombudsman told the Daily Mail.

“He is being improper and doesn’t understand the role of a diplomat. He represents the UK, he is not meant to intervene here in the way that he chooses.”

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[June 11th, 2009 The British ambassador to Poland has been accused of ‘representing the homosexual lobby’ after he gave a booklet on LGBT rights to a Polish gay rights leader. “Ambassador Todd has exceeded his authority,” Janusz Kochanowski, the Polish civil rights ombudsman told the Daily Mail. “He is being improper and doesn’t understand the role of a diplomat. He represents the UK, he is not meant to intervene here in the way that he chooses.” LINK? Anyone have an opinion? I have no quarrel with Sodomities, what they do in their own back yard, is their business. However, I believe others might disagree...

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,306 Joined: Apr 21, 08	Edited by: time means Dec 7, 09, 21:55 / #
Happycamper: Anyone have an opinion? Yep he should not be flying rainbow flags along side the union flag!!!!!!!!

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 7, 09, 22:00 / #
If he was acting in accordance with policy then, prima facie, that should be fine but wasn't Himmler just acting under policy too? ;) ;) He was acting in a different capacity which can change things but he is just a person after all and I wouldn't have found that offensive in the slightest. It is not for us to banish those seen as social miscreants. Politicians are the true reprobates. Let is slide, it lies well within the boundaries of tolerance as it wasn't those flamboyant gays that parade around.

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Dec 7, 09, 22:37 / #
Happycamper: The British ambassador to Poland has been accused of ‘representing the homosexual lobby’ after he gave a booklet on LGBT rights to a Polish gay rights leader. “Ambassador Todd has exceeded his authority,” Janusz Kochanowski, the Polish civil rights ombudsman told the Daily Mail. Why no stories on US Ambassador Victor Ashe?...He is a flamer...Perhaps he keeps it very discrete in Poland.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Dec 13, 09, 20:45 / #
Pederastic European Union! Dose not the very idea of some special, but none the less, imaginary "gay rights" humiliate all normal citizens?

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07	Dec 13, 09, 21:18 / #
ConstantineK: Pederastic European Union! Dose not the very idea of some special, but none the less, imaginary "gay rights" humiliate all normal citizens? Ho, ho, ho!...But most progressive Europeans think that acts performed by gays usually confined to the urinal should be liberated!

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Dec 13, 09, 21:42 / #
joepilsudski: Ho, ho, ho!...But most progressive Europeans think that acts performed by gays usually confined to the urinal should be liberated! Trully, I understand nothing in this most depraved libertine bedlam! Why all these qweers should have any special rights? It has nothing in common with humaine rights, but it shows only immorality and dissoluteness of present day politicans

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 13, 09, 21:46 / #
I don't think they take as active a PC stance as some here think. I'd describe it more as laissez-faire, live and let live rather than condoning it to any degree. What doesn't harm me doesn't bother me is how many Europeans seem to think. Classically liberal and not 'new liberal'.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Dec 13, 09, 21:54 / #
Seanus: I don't think they take as active a PC stance as some here think. I'd describe it more as laissez-faire, live and let live rather than condoning it to any degree. What doesn't harm me doesn't bother me is how many Europeans seem to think. Classically liberal and not 'new liberal'. But why they shoul live and show their immorality, provoking by it youngsters, recruiting them in gay society?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 13, 09, 21:59 / #
I wasn't endorsing it at all, CK. I'm also not a fan of seeing such kind of promotion in the public gaze. It's a private matter and they should just get on with doing what they do behind closed doors as, let's be honest, who's gonna enforce a ban on sodomy?

Cardno85Threads: 33 Posts: 858 Joined: Jul 11, 08 MEMBER	Dec 13, 09, 22:03 / #
He gave a Polish Gay Rights Leader a leaflet on LGBT Rights? Is that it? Seriously? Is it really that big a deal?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 13, 09, 22:07 / #
Yeah, much ado about nothing! So many people act out of boredom these days and this is but one more example of people taking a needless stand. Let it slide.

drow21Threads: 2 Posts: 68 Joined: Dec 13, 09	Dec 13, 09, 22:09 / #
well peoples sexuality is up to that person in my opinion , every year city's in uk have gay parades sometimes there's violence by the occasional odd ball in poland i think there was some violence at last years so to some ppl its a big deal, not me

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 13, 09, 22:53 / #
All European war, LOL. There isn't gonna be much beyond petty bickering and squabbles, CK. Dream on!

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Edited by: ConstantineK Dec 13, 09, 22:43 / #
Seanus: I wasn't endorsing it at all, CK. I'm also not a fan of seeing such kind of promotion in the public gaze. It's a private matter and they should just get on with doing what they do behind closed doors as, let's be honest, who's gonna enforce a ban on sodomy? Sure I see. But in the same time you describe it as "live and let live"; and this thing is beyond my understanding! Why you do not say that all these prides are direct abuse of moral principles and defiance to social norms of behaviour? You know me; you know that of all virtues I aspire to, tolerance is the one I value most. But let's imagine situation, though there is no any need of imagination, because there are alot of such patterns in nowday England, that the priest you have in your parish is gay! I know that modern Europe is mostly atheistic but anyway.... Instead of prays to god you will think only about his (priest's) sexual predilections, who is he in sex, top or bottom? Do you think it is right? Be that as it may, Seanus, but my expirience and gayishness give me the right to point out to you that modern European socium is gradually getting mad.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 13, 09, 22:44 / #
I said that that is how many Europeans see it. Why should you bother if you are not harmed? Priest and bottom seem to fit ;) ;)

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Dec 13, 09, 22:46 / #
Seanus: I said that that is how many Europeans see it. Why should you bother if you are not harmed? Priest and bottom seem to fit ;) ;) Oh, havens! But what should be done in order to harm this european biomass?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 13, 09, 22:47 / #
Your guess is as good as mine ;)

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Dec 13, 09, 22:50 / #
Seanus: Your guess is as good as mine ;) To deprive them of their grub? That is why I propagate new all-European war!

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Edited by: ConstantineK Dec 13, 09, 22:59 / #
Seanus: All European war, LOL. There isn't gonna be much beyond petty bickering and squabbles, CK. Dream on! Yes, you are right; it is too petty to be a pretex of new war. But Europe has alot of other causes for great war inside. So, this possible war will cure all petty defects en masse

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07	Dec 13, 09, 23:10 / #
CK, this is not a thread about war. You said you were gay so you should have much to discuss :)

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Edited by: jonni Dec 14, 09, 00:07 / #
ConstantineK: you will think only about his (priest's) sexual predilections, who is he in sex, top or bottom? You might be thinking that, which says more about you than anything else. Other people just get on with things, let people live their lives without let or hindrance, and don't obsess about other people's sexuality. The British ambassador has a role in presenting British values in Poland. Among those values are tolerance, fairness, inclusiveness and equal rights. No British politician would object if the Polish ambassador (a very odd woman, by the way) gave a leaflet about whatever subject to some British activist. Why the reverse? Is Poland so perfect that there's nothing else for the politicians to do with our tax zlotys other than issue negative press releases about run-of-the-mill meetings equality campaigners and diplomats from friendly countries?

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 [Suspended]	Dec 14, 09, 10:07 / #
ConstantineK: Why all these qweers should have any special rights? You are completely correct: they should have no special rights at all, they should have only the same rights as hetrosexual people have!

drow21Threads: 2 Posts: 68 Joined: Dec 13, 09	Edited by: drow21 Dec 14, 09, 10:15 / #
i still remember when , homosexuality was a dirty word here, change comes slowly , it shouldn't be forced , people are allowed to think and act as they want too as long as nobody breaks the law

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Dec 14, 09, 20:29 / #
jonni: Other people just get on with things, let people live their lives without let or hindrance Ah my dear, shall I tell you something? Letting them live their lives you condemn them for mutual hostilities and barbarism. Let them live by their own and you will see how they will gnaw each other... be sure...

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Dec 14, 09, 20:31 / #
ConstantineK: Ah my dear, shall I tell you something? Letting them live their lives you condemn them for mutual hostilities and barbarism. Let them live by their own and you will see how they will gnaw each other... be sure... What are you on?? I could reply to your post if there was even one clue what it means.

ConstantineKThreads: 35 Posts: 1,949 Joined: May 10, 07	Dec 14, 09, 20:40 / #
jonni: What are you on?? I could reply to your post if there was even one clue what it means. Is my language so dark?

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07	Dec 14, 09, 20:49 / #
ConstantineK: Is my language so dark? Dark as a moonless night.

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,967 Joined: Nov 10, 06	Dec 14, 09, 23:44 / #
jonni: Dark as a moonless night. Evidently you were bending over and blocked it out then :0), I understand what he is saying perfectly.

RogalskiThreads: 9 Posts: 146 Joined: May 8, 09	Dec 15, 09, 00:02 / #
Poland is in the EU and has to abide by EU standards if it wants to stay in it. If things such as tolerance, fair-mindedness and acceptance of difference are unacceptable to the vast majority of Polish people, they should force a referendum to leave the EU. But that would show that no lessons had been learned from events that took place on Polish soil over 60 years ago ... :-(