Dealing with constant insults against Polish

Quoting: Riff

Quoting: peterweg
However your claim that the US supplied 98% of Soviets supplies is laughable. Stopping the Germans advance to Moscow and at Stalingrad were entire Soviet doings

Wrong; The Russians had some fine planes and some very fast tanks. However the planes and tanks had no fuel or ammo. The Russians no food. That last strike where the Russian Tanks and planes Blitzed the Germans at Stalingrade was made possible by the USA. The US supplied the parts for the broken down tanks and planes. The US railway supplied food,clothing, ammo, fuel. Even though the Germans had no supplies either did the Russians. Without the US turning the tide with Supplies the Germans would have taken Stalingrad. I guess you think Russian tanks and planes run without fuel and ammo. Read up about how fast the USA built the Railroad in Northern Russia. The US supplied 98% of the supplies to the Russians at their Victory at Stalingrad.

ogorekThreads: - Posts: 233 Joined: Dec 16, 06	Mar 9, 07, 17:38 / #
Quoting: m33073 So would you rather be a Frenchman who gave up the capital of their country in 6 weeks? The first man to commit suicide from the Warsaw Stalin Tower was French - he thought it a more honorable place to die than the Eiffel Tower

ArturSzastakThreads: 6 Posts: 828 Joined: Feb 16, 07	Mar 9, 07, 17:46 / #
Quoting: ogorek The first man to commit suicide from the Warsaw Stalin Tower was French - he thought it a more honorable place to die than the Eiffel Tower Any truth to this or are you just trash talking??

ogorekThreads: - Posts: 233 Joined: Dec 16, 06	Mar 9, 07, 18:35 / #
Quoting: ArturSzastak Any truth to this or are you just trash talking?? Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw

RiffThreads: - Posts: 79 Joined: Oct 23, 06	Mar 11, 07, 15:18 / #
Quoting: peterweg However your claim that the US supplied 98% of Soviets supplies is laughable. Stopping the Germans advance to Moscow and at Stalingrad were entire Soviet doings Wrong; The Russians had some fine planes and some very fast tanks. However the planes and tanks had no fuel or ammo. The Russians no food. That last strike where the Russian Tanks and planes Blitzed the Germans at Stalingrade was made possible by the USA. The US supplied the parts for the broken down tanks and planes. The US railway supplied food,clothing, ammo, fuel. Even though the Germans had no supplies either did the Russians. Without the US turning the tide with Supplies the Germans would have taken Stalingrad. I guess you think Russian tanks and planes run without fuel and ammo. Read up about how fast the USA built the Railroad in Northern Russia. The US supplied 98% of the supplies to the Russians at their Victory at Stalingrad.

RiffThreads: - Posts: 79 Joined: Oct 23, 06	Mar 11, 07, 15:36 / #
Quoting: ogorek that's right - the 'Nazi Youth' A fellow told me the other day how surprised he was when he walked up to the dead german soldiers and saw Blonde 16 year old girls in uniform. Toward the end, there were quite a few dying. I don't think there are any numbers.

ogorekThreads: - Posts: 233 Joined: Dec 16, 06	Mar 11, 07, 20:38 / #
Quoting: Riff saw Blonde 16 year old girls in uniform. quite possibly - I think they recruited girls as young as 14 - the Deutsches Jungvolk even younger

sapphireThreads: 28 Posts: 1,418 Joined: Dec 7, 06	Edited by: sapphire Mar 14, 07, 09:15 / #
Quoting: ArturSzastak What is "Cantonese"??? What countries? China and the Asian countries?? Cantonese is a language spoken in China (there are several languages, but this is one of the main ones) China This is according to the actual numbers of people who speak various languages.. (ie) given the huge numbers of Cantonese speaking people in China, although it isnt spoken in other countries it still makes it one of most widely spoken languages (in terms of sheer numbers of people) I cant be bothered to look up the actual statistics, so Im sure some stat freak will prove me wrong..

peterwegThreads: 30 Posts: 1,445 Joined: Feb 16, 07	Mar 14, 07, 11:47 / #
Quoting: Riff Quoting: peterweg However your claim that the US supplied 98% of Soviets supplies is laughable. Stopping the Germans advance to Moscow and at Stalingrad were entire Soviet doings Wrong; The Russians had some fine planes and some very fast tanks. However the planes and tanks had no fuel or ammo. The Russians no food. That last strike where the Russian Tanks and planes Blitzed the Germans at Stalingrade was made possible by the USA. The US supplied the parts for the broken down tanks and planes. The US railway supplied food,clothing, ammo, fuel. Even though the Germans had no supplies either did the Russians. Without the US turning the tide with Supplies the Germans would have taken Stalingrad. I guess you think Russian tanks and planes run without fuel and ammo. Read up about how fast the USA built the Railroad in Northern Russia. The US supplied 98% of the supplies to the Russians at their Victory at Stalingrad. Thats impossible. How exactly did the US get supplies to Russia? They had to be shipped from US to Uk, then on by the British navy to Archangel. It is physically impossible for the amount of supplies you claim to have been shipped, Britain barely get enough through to supply its army one tenth the size of Russia's. Britain did supply as much as it could but the figures were tiny compaired to the USSR's needs.

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1,786 Joined: Jul 20, 06	Mar 14, 07, 17:21 / #
Quoting: Riff The US supplied 98% of the supplies to the Russians at their Victory at Stalingrad. 98%? What are your sources?

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1,786 Joined: Jul 20, 06	Mar 14, 07, 17:29 / #
Quoting: Riff There would have been a D-day somewhere else. Thats a real reach. Where there is a will there is a way. Without Britain the war still could have been won. The question is, would there still be a will after Britain’s defeat?

ogorekThreads: - Posts: 233 Joined: Dec 16, 06	Mar 14, 07, 19:56 / #
Quoting: peterweg Thats impossible. How exactly did the US get supplies to Russia? A total of $50.1 billion (equivalent to nearly $700 billion at 2007 prices) worth of supplies were shipped: $31.4 billion to Britain, $11.3 billion to the Soviet Union, $3.2 billion to France and $1.6 billion to China. The USSR was highly dependent on trains, yet the desperate need to produce weapons meant that only about 92 locomotives were produced in the USSR during the entire war. In this context, the supply of 1,981 US locomotives can be better understood. Likewise, the Soviet air force was almost completely dependent on US supplies of very high octane aviation fuel. Although most Red Army tank units were equipped with Soviet-built tanks, their logistical support was provided by hundreds of thousands of high-quality US-made trucks. Indeed by 1945 nearly two-thirds of the truck strength of the Red Army was US-built. Trucks such as the Dodge ¾ ton and Studebaker 2.5 ton, were easily the best trucks available in their class on either side on the Eastern Front. US supplies of telephone cable, aluminium, and canned rations were also critical.

ogorekThreads: - Posts: 233 Joined: Dec 16, 06	Mar 14, 07, 20:00 / #
The list below is the amount of war material shipped to the Soviet Union through the US Lend-Lease program from its beginning until 30 September 1945. Aircraft 14,795 Tanks 7,056 Jeeps 51,503 Trucks 375,883 Motorcycles 35,170 Tractors 8,071 Guns 8,218 Machine guns 131,633 Explosives 345,735 tons Building equipment valued $10,910,000 Railroad freight cars 11,155 Locomotives 1,981 Cargo ships 90 Submarine hunters 105 Torpedo boats 197 Ship engines 7,784 Food supplies 4,478,000 tons Machines and equipment $1,078,965,000 Non-ferrous metals 802,000 tons Petroleum products 2,670,000 tons Chemicals 842,000 tons Cotton 106,893,000 tons Leather 49,860 tons Tires 3,786,000 Army boots 15,417,001 pairs

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Mar 15, 07, 00:40 / #
Quoting: ogorek US Lend-Lease program from its beginning until 30 September 1945. do we have any ideas who was running this program during that time? I would like to know.

LoneStrangerThreads: 3 Posts: 531 Joined: Jan 30, 07	Mar 15, 07, 01:00 / #
Quoting: Patrycja19 Patrycja19 ever faced any serious insult for being a Polish dear one?

ogorekThreads: - Posts: 233 Joined: Dec 16, 06	Mar 14, 07, 20:06 / #
Quoting: Matyjasz The question is, would there still be a will after Britain’s defeat? If Britain had been defeated, the US would have gone round the back door, joined the Russians making a combined thrust from the East - and of course the soft under belly (Italy) having first defeated Rommel in North Africa

peterwegThreads: 30 Posts: 1,445 Joined: Feb 16, 07	Edited by: peterweg Mar 15, 07, 11:55 / #
Trucks, yes. Boots yes, Locomotives, yes. But for the other stuff, what %age of the total Soviet needs/production? Did it make teh difference between winning or loosing, or were the 20Million Russia dead a better contribution.? WW2 cost Britain £300Billion, $1200billion in 1945 money. Your 50 => 700Bn calculation is wrong. Its more like $250Bn. Britain paid for it BTW, it wasn't a gift.

ogorekThreads: - Posts: 233 Joined: Dec 16, 06	Mar 15, 07, 16:01 / #
Quoting: peterweg the 20Million Russia dead a better contribution.? I heard 11 million war dead and the rest victims of Stalin's own work/starvation etc Quoting: peterweg Your 50 => 700Bn calculation I borrowed this from another source - some historian. My own opinion would be that - without the help of the US, Germany would have won the war. The UK would not have been strong enough to take on Hitler - it was bankrupt in 1944. Because of this there wouldn't have been a second front in the west and Germany would have sent it's full strength to defeat Russia. Like I said before, Poland defeated Russia in 1920.

ArturSzastakThreads: 6 Posts: 828 Joined: Feb 16, 07	Mar 15, 07, 19:33 / #
Quoting: Riff The US railway supplied food,clothing, ammo, fuel. Since when is there a US railway in Russia???

ArturSzastakThreads: 6 Posts: 828 Joined: Feb 16, 07	Mar 15, 07, 19:39 / #
Quoting: ogorek Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw Oh my God. It is true. Thats funny stuff. I suddenly love French people.

peterwegThreads: 30 Posts: 1,445 Joined: Feb 16, 07	Mar 16, 07, 15:57 / #
Quoting: ogorek Because of this there wouldn't have been a second front in the west and Germany would have sent it's full strength to defeat Russia. Like I said before, Poland defeated Russia in 1920. The Axis powers had 90% of their strength against the Soviet Union. By the time the Allies invaded in 1944 the Axis were in full retreat. Do you think having an extra 10% would have allowed Germany to defeat the Soviet Union? Seems highly unlikely. Yes, Poland defeated the Russians in 1920. However the army's were ten times bigger in 1943.

bleudetroit	Mar 17, 07, 00:05 / #
Quoting: Benjamin Spychaj Hello. My name is Benjamin Spychaj. I recently mentioned I am Polish to my friends and they constantly make jokes about my people. Every single day I have to hear about how Polish cavalry attacked German tanks with swords, how Polish have small penises, how "Polacks" are stupid and cannot do anything right. Does anyone have good ways to counter these kinds of jokes? Sometimes they really piss me off and I am tempted to go Polack and throw them out the window. Nonsense. Poland lasted against the best army in the world at the time--Nazi Germany--for 4 weeks. And 2 weeks into the German attack, the USSR attacked from behind. Poland lost a 2-front war against Germany and the country that had at the time the largest military in the world. CONTRAST that to France,which lasted a little over one month in a one-front invasion. And the French and British (and Belgium and Holland) had MORE tanks, planes and troops than Germany had. Or contrast Poland's fate to Yugolsovia and Greece. They both only lasted 14 days against Germany (and Hungary). The Polish resistance was active during the entire war against the Nazis. Contrast that with France (where more French HELPED Hitler and volunteered to fight for the SS than joined the resistance). The Polish underground was way more active than anyother European country (except maybe Russia). MOST European non-German allied countries, including Holland, Belgium, Denmark and even Switzerland, fielded HUGE amounts of volunteers for Hitler. Every country in WW2 had calvary, including the Germans. The Russians used calvary well into the 1950s.

bleudetroit	Mar 17, 07, 00:38 / #
Quoting: peterweg The Axis powers had 90% of their strength against the Soviet Union. By the time the Allies invaded in 1944 the Axis were in full retreat. Do you think having an extra 10% would have allowed Germany to defeat the Soviet Union? Seems highly unlikely. To be forever debated... Without the Western air campagin agianst Germany, all of the German airforce would have been against Russia. 90% of the Luftwaffe fought against the west and the bombing campaign...and without the bombing, German industry would have been producing even more tanks and planes than it already was. Had the forces arrayed in Normandy (6 first rate SS Panzer divisons, about 900 plus Panter and Tiger tanks) been in the East, along with a few thousand extra fighter planes, a stalemate might have been possible...especially if Lend Lease by America would not have been giving the Soviets tens of thousands of trucks and thousands of Sherman tanks.

Maxxx PayneThreads: 2 Posts: 283 Joined: Oct 11, 06	Edited by: Maxxx Payne Mar 17, 07, 04:25 / #
Quoting: peterweg Thats impossible. How exactly did the US get supplies to Russia? They had to be shipped from US to Uk, then on by the British navy to Archangel. they did ! In northern theatre of war the Murmansk port was important target for German Gebirgsjäger stationed in Lapland. About a quarter of lend lease came through Murmansk. About half came from Vladivostok, abot one quarter from Persia and the rest from Black Sea. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Silver_Fox

Maxxx PayneThreads: 2 Posts: 283 Joined: Oct 11, 06	Mar 17, 07, 04:28 / #
Quoting: ogorek Yleinen kielitiede eli lingvistiikka on kiinnostunut ihmiskielen luonteesta??? You speak finnish ??

BartolomeThreads: 2 Posts: 1,342 Joined: Sep 14, 06	Mar 17, 07, 11:13 / #
Quoting: ArturSzastak Since when is there a US railway in Russia??? Never heard about adjusting of locomotives' wheels on e.g. Polish-Russian border ?

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Mar 17, 07, 11:52 / #
Quoting: LoneStranger ever faced any serious insult for being a Polish dear one? I want names lol , yes, that was pretty unclear wasnt it. oh well, maybe I wrote that when I was over tired. but really no excuses for me i guess names names give me names!! lol

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Mar 17, 07, 12:01 / #
Quoting: LoneStranger ever faced any serious insult for being a Polish dear one? not serious, not threatened if that is what you ask.

Patrycja19Threads: 76 Posts: 3,877 Joined: Oct 31, 06	Mar 17, 07, 12:01 / #
Quoting: Patrycja19 Quoting: LoneStranger ever faced any serious insult for being a Polish dear one? I want names lol , yes, that was pretty unclear wasnt it. oh well, maybe I wrote that when I was over tired. but really no excuses for me i guess names names give me names!! lol I need to seriously get with the program.. lol

truebritThreads: 3 Posts: 230 Joined: May 19, 06	Mar 17, 07, 14:28 / #
Quoting: ogorek If Britain had been defeated, the US would have gone round the back door, joined the Russians making a combined thrust from the East - and of course the soft under belly (Italy) having first defeated Rommel in North Africa The British defeated Rommel in North Africa.All this 'what if' stuff is pointless speculation.

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1,786 Joined: Jul 20, 06	Mar 19, 07, 07:04 / #
Quoting: ogorek If Britain had been defeated, the US would have gone round the back door, joined the Russians making a combined thrust from the East - and of course the soft under belly (Italy) having first defeated Rommel in North Africa How do you know that they wouldn't accept Germany's reign in Europe?